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Coyotl

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Thu Jan 24, 2013, 02:39 PM Jan 2013

SO HELP ME GOD = AZ Legislators Want to Require High School Graduates to Recite a Loyalty Oath [View all]

Certain AZ Legislators Want High Schoolers to Recite a Loyalty Oath Before Graduating
Posted by David Mendez on Wed, Jan 23, 2013
http://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/archives/2013/01/23/certain-az-legislators-want-high-schoolers-to-recite-a-loyalty-oath-before-graduating

... HB 2467, a proposed measure sponsored by seven legislators (six representatives and a senator) ....

... the bill's text:

BEGINNING IN THE 2013‑2014 SCHOOL YEAR, IN ADDITION TO FULFILLING THE COURSE OF STUDY AND ASSESSMENT REQUIREMENTS PRESCRIBED IN THIS CHAPTER, BEFORE A PUPIL IS ALLOWED TO GRADUATE FROM A PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL IN THIS STATE, THE PRINCIPAL OR HEAD TEACHER OF THE SCHOOL SHALL VERIFY IN WRITING THAT THE PUPIL HAS RECITED THE FOLLOWING OATH:

I, _________, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME; THAT I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION; AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THESE DUTIES; SO HELP ME GOD.


... you're swearing that you're taking an oath freely when you're being coerced into taking the damn thing, again, in order to graduate. I'm pretty sure that makes the rest of the oath invalid, doesn't it? .....
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What the hell is up with these people? hrmjustin Jan 2013 #1
Unlikely to be passed maui902 Jan 2013 #91
"I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY" 0rganism Jan 2013 #2
Beat me to it. That exactly what I was thinking before I ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2013 #4
Sometimes stupid is a horrible Catch-22 Coyotl Jan 2013 #21
You are free to use whatever pitch or tone you want I guess? ck4829 Jan 2013 #5
No kidding. progressoid Jan 2013 #18
ROFL that was my first thought too gollygee Jan 2013 #63
Notice what part they left out of this military oath lunasun Jan 2013 #85
indeed n/t fishwax Jan 2013 #88
What a crock 2naSalit Jan 2013 #3
What Federal employees? Sadiedog Jan 2013 #75
Actually lots of federal employees. 2naSalit Jan 2013 #78
thanks for your reply. Sadiedog Jan 2013 #89
As a leader, you don't have faith in your people when you don't expect ck4829 Jan 2013 #6
Loyalty oaths nobodyspecial Jan 2013 #7
Spike Jones nailed assholes like these pathetic klowns hifiguy Jan 2013 #42
I never saw this before! riqster Jan 2013 #82
Shhh!!!! sadbear Jan 2013 #8
Only the GOP mind could dream up Nazi like bullshit santamargarita Jan 2013 #9
The irony is that the clown proposing this is the one who has violated his oath onenote Jan 2013 #10
A reasonable parent will ensure that the person who conceived this will be fired. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #11
Depends on where in Arizona... immoderate Jan 2013 #77
Oh my! longship Jan 2013 #12
What purpose does this serve? NightWatcher Jan 2013 #13
Political advantage for the person who introduced the bill n/t Fumesucker Jan 2013 #48
it sounds just like a military oath? barbtries Jan 2013 #14
It's actually stolen from 2naSalit Jan 2013 #80
They want students to take the oath that Senators and the Vice President take? Jennicut Jan 2013 #15
Teachers (K-12 and post-secondary) enlightenment Jan 2013 #27
WTH?! Not in Pennsylvania, we're not! Have your teachers heard of the CONSTITUTION?! WinkyDink Jan 2013 #35
Well, yes - we have. enlightenment Jan 2013 #45
I fully get the "can't afford to lose my job" part. Man, how did we get such WHACKED legislators? WinkyDink Jan 2013 #69
Got me - enlightenment Jan 2013 #74
Funny stuff there. Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #16
Is there any doubt as to how Arizona won Bill Maher's Stupidest State contest? Initech Jan 2013 #17
Now I get it. AZ is trying to win a contest. Coyotl Jan 2013 #22
so what haooens if you're an atheis and rurallib Jan 2013 #19
The law has always allowed Quakers, Jehovah's Witnesses, and others whose religion forbids... Hekate Jan 2013 #24
Loyalty oath. What do you think the Pledge of Allegiance is? white_wolf Jan 2013 #20
Good point. What about prayer? Loyalty to the metaphysical master of the universe. Coyotl Jan 2013 #23
Especially children so young Mr.Bill Jan 2013 #31
What the Pledge IS, is a NON-MANDATED (yes, check the Constitution) paragraph WinkyDink Jan 2013 #36
It's non-mandated but very strongly encouraged. white_wolf Jan 2013 #37
Oh, trust me; I know. I held my nose in my homerooms many a year. All I asked of WinkyDink Jan 2013 #71
WHY is the AZ government prepairing their students to become state soldiers? Rex Jan 2013 #25
Because the economy is so shitty there with right to work that people can't afford to live a middle kimbutgar Jan 2013 #29
why do people keep moving to AZ then? Mosby Jan 2013 #34
For the warm weather, seniors love it and for the cheap housing kimbutgar Jan 2013 #43
the pay varies depending on where you live Mosby Jan 2013 #51
AZ is anything but lily white albeit there is now a white majority. Coyotl Jan 2013 #59
You have nothing to fear dbackjon Jan 2013 #73
He's has been seated in several chains in Glendale and the waitress took a long time to take their kimbutgar Jan 2013 #83
I feel ya--I went down there for a friend's wedding and I got that old squint eye too. MADem Jan 2013 #87
There is a general lack of good service in Arizona dbackjon Jan 2013 #90
Good comment! "freely"??? I'm not sure most people would recognize their own slavery if it bit their patrice Jan 2013 #26
"I freed a thousand slaves, I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves." Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #55
Teenagers love being coerced and dominated! Ash_F Jan 2013 #28
If the bill passes the legislature and is signed by Governor Hagfinger, Aristus Jan 2013 #30
What about children who are here on resident visas without citizenship? JDPriestly Jan 2013 #32
Or (shhh!) here without either? KamaAina Jan 2013 #40
No. Here students with resident visas but who are not citizens. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #44
Gee, loyalty oaths have worked so well throughout history. gtar100 Jan 2013 #33
Metallized hydrogen is jealous of the density hifiguy Jan 2013 #38
And intergalactic space the vacuity of their "intellect".. Fumesucker Jan 2013 #50
The GOP is Irony deficient. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #39
Is it any surprise Blue Idaho Jan 2013 #41
Ooh, magic words that will certainly guide all decisions they make for years to come. tanyev Jan 2013 #46
Unconstitutional on its face..... Swede Atlanta Jan 2013 #47
Yep legaleagle_45 Jan 2013 #49
Because they are racists who hate Mexicans, Hispanics, and Native Americans Coyotl Jan 2013 #60
so the pledge of allegiance every moring, 5 days a week, 9 months a year isn't enough? arely staircase Jan 2013 #52
Heeheehehehee Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #53
SO HELP ME GOD Politicalboi Jan 2013 #54
Loyalty Oathes HockeyMom Jan 2013 #56
"foreign and domestic" winter is coming Jan 2013 #57
Nothing fascist about required "loyalty oaths" for schoolchildren, nosiree. DirkGently Jan 2013 #58
I had to take an oath in AZ to be paid as a Grad Assistant Viking12 Jan 2013 #61
Adolf would be proud FiveGoodMen Jan 2013 #62
Very Nazi like on their part Arcanetrance Jan 2013 #64
more idiots stick their heads into the sand of Arizona Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #65
I see Republicans are once again tackling the real important issues facing the country. Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #66
Require every individual voting for this bill or administering the act Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #67
If you want to be a state employee in Oklahoma you avebury Jan 2013 #68
Somebody need to sue and take this to a higher/highest court. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #70
My legislature is nuts dbackjon Jan 2013 #72
Forcing them to say the Pledge of Allegiance every day for 12 years isn't enough now? kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #76
BILL NOT FOUND....... Bennyboy Jan 2013 #79
Here is one they should recite immediately after the 1st benld74 Jan 2013 #81
We are getting close to this here in NC...I feel for you with what we are up against. KoKo Jan 2013 #84
This is fucken ridiculous, like most things from AZ anymore. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #86
Don't those same kids already recite the Pledge of Alligience every morning iemitsu Jan 2013 #92
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