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Response to cbrer (Reply #36)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 09:42 PM

37. Yes, like a non-faith-based reason to continue our pursuit of "progress"

 

Otherwise, its akin to religion to think that one day, quite magically, technology will help us reverse course and we will happen to finally consume less energy. If we are running full-on into ecosystem breakdown and the solution is "keep doing what we are doing", it would be nice to have solid proof that "keeping on" isn't going to kill us all before it produces techno-benevolence.


The will to succeed and follow a mutually beneficial plan must exist for any widespread success to occur.

Can this will exist? If it can, why can it not now? What will change that can be demonstrated? If its obtainable now, why must we kick up more carbon pursuing techno-Utopia when we could all currently figure out how to make a sustainable society with what we currently have? Maybe this just isn't possible within the current system.


And technology isn't magic

No, but its application to extend equality to all (via increased production) while simultaneously lowering emissions and protecting the environment is quite magic. All production requires energy and materials extracted from earth. Calling for more high-tech production will not diminish this very fact.

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