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Pete Cortez

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16. If the NRA was suppressing government research...
Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:50 PM
Jan 2013

...how is it that the President was able to do away with said suppression by mere executive order? Also, the sources you provide clearly indicate research was conducted in the period NRA was supposedly "suppressing" it.

In any case, I'd still like sources for the claims in the cartoons, but I'll dispose of the claims made by Hemenway and friends here:

1. "Firearm availability and homicide rates across 26 high income countries." Authors use a questionable proxy for gun availability (firearm suicide rates). Use of this proxy in a simple regression with no control variables is a blatant example of begging the question.

2. "Household firearm ownership levels and homicide rates across U.S. regions and states." I unfortunately can't find a free source for the full text on this. I note Hemenway's synopsis indicates the study used yet another proxy for firearms ownership. I'll withhold judgement for now and focus on his follow up piece.

3. "State-level homicide victimization rates in the U.S. in relation to survey measures of household firearm ownership, 2001-2003." Here we actually have an abstract. Hemenway maps 2001-2003 homicide victimization data to 2001 survey data on firearms ownership (VPC made the same mistake, only more egregiously by using 2007 homicide data). Moreover, the use of homicide rates rather than, say, the lifetime risk of homicide victimization is confounding. If a gang were to cross the border from California to Arizona and proceed to act as violently as they had before, the impact on Arizona's homicide rate would be considerably greater than it was in California. Moreover, the authors--to their credit--warn against drawing a causal inference between prevalence of firearms ownership and homicide rate.

A gun in the home...... [View all] DainBramaged Jan 2013 OP
K&R MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #1
1.2.3......................Gun whores will be on the way MightyMopar Jan 2013 #2
Nah, too busy junking our Chrysler products for fuel efficient modern designs ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #8
And look who is the first to show up! BTW, You're ignorant MightyMopar Jan 2013 #24
You need to quit focusing on environmental disasters on four wheels that are trucks and SUVs ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #25
two wheels most of the time Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #26
Source? Pete Cortez Jan 2013 #3
Rimshot (right on cue) DainBramaged Jan 2013 #4
here ya go DB spanone Jan 2013 #10
Hi there cowboy, first time at the rodeo??? DainBramaged Jan 2013 #5
Hi there to you, too. Pete Cortez Jan 2013 #6
Since a lot of people here Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #12
Well said. Pete Cortez Jan 2013 #15
You liked his back and forth so much he left..... DainBramaged Jan 2013 #19
Aw, another buddy of yours got banned as a gun troll. Robb Jan 2013 #23
I findz 'em..... DainBramaged Jan 2013 #28
Ha malaise Jan 2013 #27
Start here. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #9
If the NRA was suppressing government research... Pete Cortez Jan 2013 #16
Your question makes zero sense. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #21
Welcome to DU, its always nice to see folk come solely to promote their love of guns etherealtruth Jan 2013 #11
Two out of three. Pete Cortez Jan 2013 #14
Forgive me, I am not sure I understand your response etherealtruth Jan 2013 #17
No. Pete Cortez Jan 2013 #18
Sure but a car is as dangerous as a gun Robyn66 Jan 2013 #7
A car can't kill randomly like a gun discharged at the sky or from a car DainBramaged Jan 2013 #20
Very good point! Robyn66 Jan 2013 #22
Do Guns Provide Safety? At What Cost? etherealtruth Jan 2013 #13
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