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5. If the laws on the book were better this probably would not have slipped through

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 11:03 AM

Jan 2013

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If you read the article it says some of the limitations to the system, you have to submit fingerprints and a Social Security Number to become a teacher in this state but you don't have to do so to buy guns. Under current law police only have seven days to object to a permit application, if it takes more than seven days the applicant is automatically granted a permit.

The problem is not that the current laws were not enforced, the problem is the current laws make it far too easy for people to slip through the cracks.

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Extremely disturbed individual passes background check and buys arsenal of guns despite past murder [View all] Bjorn Against Jan 2013 OP

Sounds like he had a juvenile conviction pipoman Jan 2013 #1

Whatever happened it shows the current background check system is not adequate Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #3

The majority of these 'loopholes' are of our own making B2G Jan 2013 #4

The current laws do not even require purchasers to provide their Social Security Numbers Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #6

So let's shore up the laws we already have B2G Jan 2013 #10

What we need are a hundred new laws to not enforce. Only that will fix the problem! n/t Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #25

And if officials had enforced the laws already on the books B2G Jan 2013 #2

If the laws on the book were better this probably would not have slipped through Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #5

From your link: B2G Jan 2013 #7

Yes the link does say that, all those things could be fixed with a better system in place Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #13

Too weak or not enforced in the first place? B2G Jan 2013 #16

The Presidents executive actions will address this without the need for what you advocate for ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #14

Yep. No one ever is willing to say this to the gun culture Doctor_J Jan 2013 #18

Guns don't kill people, gun owners kill people. blm Jan 2013 #8

The NRA and gun nut assholes should stop preventing the relevant agencies from doing their jobs alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #9

One of the latest screeds by the NRA was about taxes. They are part of the starve the beast crowd freshwest Jan 2013 #24

Nobody knows what to do with juvenile criminals in any sense; this isn't just about guns Recursion Jan 2013 #11

That told us nothing...eom Kolesar Jan 2013 #15

I think it did tell us something, a reminder that HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #20

Oh, it did. Note liberals often decry harsh penalties/sentences for the under aged criminal... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #22

I think it is perfectly reasonable to restrict someone who murdered with guns from owning guns Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #26

I agree. Merely pointing out how we got to this state. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #36

Everyone agrees that NICS needs to be improved in terms of aikoaiko Jan 2013 #12

Yet another example of "too many laws" Doctor_J Jan 2013 #17

NICS has serious gaps, more for felons and addicts than the mentally ill. All need fixing HereSince1628 Jan 2013 #19

this one gave me goosebumps, raised hair on neck, nausea, holy f'in f thats f'ed up farminator3000 Jan 2013 #21

Good post. Note my #22 above. Do we liberals want to go there? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #23

of course we do farminator3000 Jan 2013 #35

So everyone in this thread is ready to fully fund and staff the ATF to annabanana Jan 2013 #27

I certainly am in support of providing funding to enforce gun laws Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #28

Yes Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #29

He needs to be re-committed. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #30

The system would have stopped him if it was running properly slackmaster Jan 2013 #31

This is a failure at multiple levels in MN Lurks Often Jan 2013 #32

We are very good at writing an unending number of laws, very bad at enforcing them. dkf Jan 2013 #33

Is this sort of thing fixable? dkf Jan 2013 #34

I have a brother with schizophrenia and there are treatments that are effective Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #39

Tracking Spengler's handgun proves tricky farminator3000 Jan 2013 #37

Well this isn't chilling or anything. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2013 #38