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stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
124. The solution would depend on the gun
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 11:14 PM
Jan 2013

Solution A - Must be locked in a safe in the home

Solution B - Must be locked off site in a special safety deposit box

I really appreciate your post and attempt to move the conversation forward. I've been confused KittyWampus Jan 2013 #1
Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #60
Too restrictive. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #2
"more people are murdered by being beaten to death" Lex Jan 2013 #3
Media event murders are covered by my last suggestion. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #4
Should we also hold secret trials of those arrested for "rampage" shootings? onenote Jan 2013 #11
Good question. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #24
It would never survive constitutional scrutiny onenote Jan 2013 #45
Gun killings are the fault of the media! But *never ever ever* due to the gun! villager Jan 2013 #31
So as long as there is a break in between ... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #102
No relevance to mass shootings that happen within minutes. nt Lex Jan 2013 #123
So .... Yes? Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #153
I would think any meaningful progress ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #142
Then you'd be wrong, Straw Man. Lex Jan 2013 #150
OK, just as long as we're clear. Straw Man Jan 2013 #151
"Magazines can be printed on a 3-D printer. Have fun trying to outlaw them." Hugabear Jan 2013 #5
One solution would be to outlaw sale of guns that can even accept a magazine. Make all bullets stevenleser Jan 2013 #7
Well, that must be why all firearm related homicide in California is so low... waitasec... AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #108
Please continue... nt stevenleser Jan 2013 #127
Continue what? AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #134
Still not the same thing. But you knew that. nt stevenleser Jan 2013 #137
No, you described California's assault weapons ban. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #138
My Grandfathers Model 1892 rifle holds 14 rounds oneshooter Jan 2013 #121
The solution would depend on the gun stevenleser Jan 2013 #124
All of my collection is locked in 650# fireproof safes. oneshooter Jan 2013 #126
Restrictions on 3-D printers? GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #9
The technology exists to do so Hugabear Jan 2013 #17
How often will your police come around and inspect my printer? N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #23
Depends - if you get caught with an illegal magazine in your possession Hugabear Jan 2013 #25
Most gun violence comes from the 1st round, not the 30th. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #32
Airplane crashes are rare but they get a lot of attention. Same with mass shootings Recursion Jan 2013 #75
Not all attention is rational. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #140
Some of the printers are open sources and will never support such restrictions ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #37
People are building these printers from the ground up, on their own with their own open source AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #139
Vaginas can be printed on 3D printers too, good luck "usin" one. Jus sayin, the 3D printer excuse is uponit7771 Jan 2013 #70
Take a look at this one: GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #91
Great job. GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #132
Make some suggestions then ... Scuba Jan 2013 #8
I think the item we agree on would take care of most of the problems. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #14
"As for printing magazines, make it a crime." guardian Jan 2013 #86
Are you kidding me? Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #12
The media ban would have to be very narrow to be Constitutional. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #20
That's a ridiculous suggestion. thucythucy Jan 2013 #106
You Can Have A Gun To Protect Yourself, But You Cannot Have A WMD Yavin4 Jan 2013 #21
WMD is used to mean nukes, poison gas, biological agents, radioactive fallout. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #29
WMD stands for Weapons of Mass Destruction Yavin4 Jan 2013 #39
So when Bush was claiming Saddam had WMDs... GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #47
Worldwide, Machine Guns Kill More People, in particular children, than a dirty bomb Yavin4 Jan 2013 #51
WMDs are by definition indiscriminate...guns not so much. N/T beevul Jan 2013 #112
What was discriminating about the victims in Aurora and Newtown? Yavin4 Jan 2013 #114
Bullets are not self guided. beevul Jan 2013 #116
So No One Has Ever Been Killed by a Stray Bullet? Yavin4 Jan 2013 #117
Improperly aimed is still aimed. beevul Jan 2013 #118
So if guns are now WMD, what are nukes, gas, and germs? N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #135
I know you won't like hearing this... wercal Jan 2013 #155
You can't have a WMD because it is impossible to use defensively without killing innocent people. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #141
Whoa there ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #143
Too bad. Buy a 22. Deal with it. The free for all is coming to an end. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #41
You really think so? hack89 Jan 2013 #59
the tide has turned. Too many dead children. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #80
So why are at least 12 Senate Democrats saying they will not support an AWB? hack89 Jan 2013 #81
How the NRA is winning - article in the Washington Post hack89 Jan 2013 #82
Thank you, you are one of the people that have convinced me.. Kalidurga Jan 2013 #77
Your mind was already made up before you read any of my posts. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #94
Yes, I just said that. Kalidurga Jan 2013 #104
I did make two suggestions. Try reading again. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #136
Not sure how this would work. For example Drahthaardogs Jan 2013 #87
Hmmmm.... Scuba Jan 2013 #88
Most folks up north do not trust their lives to pepper spray. Drahthaardogs Jan 2013 #107
Pepper spray will really help... bobclark86 Jan 2013 #131
I think you have to add muzzle velocity/muzzle energy to this list instead of Caliber stevenleser Jan 2013 #6
Please explain why that is a relevant metric ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #35
Muzzle Energy is often described as the destructive power of a given firearm or load stevenleser Jan 2013 #38
So you are arguing for banning/restricting hunting rounds ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #44
No. Edited to add... stevenleser Jan 2013 #46
The point you are missing is that you need that for large animals ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #83
When you go to hunt for hippos, elephants and whales, you get a special permit that allows use of stevenleser Jan 2013 #85
Elk, deer, moose are all larger game animals ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #89
Easy, use a points system Recursion Jan 2013 #40
This is in the right direction theKed Jan 2013 #76
Great idea ..... oldhippie Jan 2013 #10
Where do you think the limit should be set? Scuba Jan 2013 #13
They already vote republican by a vast majority. Really not a big threat. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #42
It IS a big threat. NickB79 Jan 2013 #145
22% of democrats own guns. Some small percentage of those are "gun nuts". Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #149
This is a good idea SpartanDem Jan 2013 #15
Too hard...someone would have to make a list with specs of every weapon ever made. nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #16
You forgot the satire thingy. Scuba Jan 2013 #18
Cause I was serious...Ok - I see where you are coming from. Please jmg257 Jan 2013 #52
Don't know. See Recursion's post # 50 for an interesting suggestion of how that might be determined. Scuba Jan 2013 #57
Sheesh - that is even worse! Holy shit!!! jmg257 Jan 2013 #64
Thanks, these suggestions are worthy of further discussion. Scuba Jan 2013 #67
No, that's the beauty of Scuba's idea: it doesn't require that Recursion Jan 2013 #36
Caliber is a bad metric hootinholler Jan 2013 #19
Best I've seen rrneck Jan 2013 #22
Please see my post #27, which I meant to reply to yours. Scuba Jan 2013 #28
"fire power" based on ammuniation isn't that simple. SayWut Jan 2013 #26
You're apparently better versed than I on these details. What would you suggest? Scuba Jan 2013 #30
It would help if I knew exactly what it is you're trying to accomplish. SayWut Jan 2013 #49
If you can't be constructive, perhaps this isn't the thread for you. Scuba Jan 2013 #56
I offered my knowledge of the subject, and my opinion of why your idea is full of holes. SayWut Jan 2013 #69
Muzzle energy is probably the best metric Recursion Jan 2013 #34
Unenforcible and problematic. SayWut Jan 2013 #63
I suggested a "points" system earlier Recursion Jan 2013 #66
You're right. SayWut Jan 2013 #73
Thanks. I used to proofread, even... Recursion Jan 2013 #74
The problem with the point system you suggest, is that there are too many variables. SayWut Jan 2013 #78
There are. And restricting types of guns isn't my personal thing Recursion Jan 2013 #79
My 1875 Sharps rifle uses a 530gr cast lead bullet oneshooter Jan 2013 #122
I could see an easy work-around for that though NickB79 Jan 2013 #146
so now Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #154
Yes, to perhaps inappropriately use a "shooting" metaphor, there is no silver bullet solution ... Scuba Jan 2013 #27
Well rrneck Jan 2013 #48
Or we have to mandate all firearms transfers go through an FFL Recursion Jan 2013 #72
It gets real complicated real fast. rrneck Jan 2013 #111
I get that, and I don't mind sticking with transfer of actual legal ownership Recursion Jan 2013 #129
I can see that. And the trace data would be invalueable. rrneck Jan 2013 #130
I really appreciate this thread. Some thoughts about rate of fire. Recursion Jan 2013 #33
I suspect rate-of-fire has to come from the base design. I doubt one can retro-fit that ... Scuba Jan 2013 #43
Rapid-firing is low-powered. HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #58
Which is why ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #144
So let's assume that 3 people break into my home. I can only shoot one shot every five seconds ... spin Jan 2013 #95
This works really well with a "points" system Recursion Jan 2013 #50
Good concept. I'm not an expert but does an AR-15 then get ... Scuba Jan 2013 #62
Oh, yeah, the numbers were completely off the top of my head Recursion Jan 2013 #65
What do you think of this? ... Scuba Jan 2013 #68
jmg257 has a point, and his way is simpler Recursion Jan 2013 #71
Include the range of fire ... the weapon's effective kill distance. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #53
Except murders basically never happen outside of 15' Recursion Jan 2013 #55
Maybe we use a standard size school room, or movie theater? JoePhilly Jan 2013 #61
Just ban black guns. HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #54
Can we stop with the endless litany guardian Jan 2013 #84
Strawman much? nt Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #90
It's satire, not a straw man guardian Jan 2013 #92
No, it's strawman. You just added some satire in there for good measure. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #93
I think the majority of those making such proposals do want a blanket ban. guardian Jan 2013 #96
Oh, snap girlfriend! Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #97
Just as I thought guardian Jan 2013 #98
You're the one putting thoughts in people's heads. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #99
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #100
You started the subthread with snark/satire and then complain about snark? Fumesucker Jan 2013 #133
Some here clearly do ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #101
Uh-huh. Straw Man Jan 2013 #148
I don't want to ban them all. That's an NRA talking point. Why do you repeat it? Scuba Jan 2013 #105
That's NOT an NRA talking point! NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #109
A few DU members do not make decisions for the President or Congress... Scuba Jan 2013 #110
The poster was grumbling about Posts on DU. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #113
Add muzzle velocity cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #103
Caliber category is a little wierd. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #115
Nice Try On Your Part. But You See What's Happened To Your Thread. Paladin Jan 2013 #119
There are some constructive posts. I knew the antis would try to muddy the waters ... Scuba Jan 2013 #120
Wait, what? 2ndAmendmentRights Jan 2013 #125
A very fine point, if this does not seem reasonable let's go for a bb gun Thinkingabout Jan 2013 #128
Have you ever considered ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #147
good ideas samsingh Jan 2013 #152
I like the concept, JoeyT Jan 2013 #156
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