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OneTenthofOnePercent

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38. I honestly believe the vague use of the term "arms" was purposefully done to
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 07:54 PM
Jan 2013

accommodate changing technology. The concept being that people needing to fight another army should be armed with whatever common weapons a soldier would typically wield. "Well regulated" would have been translated as "well functioning" back in the language of that time. Back then, many private citizens owned ships, cannons, and pretty much whatever the militia/military brought to the playing field.

HOWEVER... I don't believe the forefathers ever thought there could be the kind of indiscriminate or standoff type weapons we have today. I think the 2A would be a little more descriptive if you told Ben Franklin that someday we would have a weapon that harnessed the power of the SUN and a flying machine armed with that single weapon/bomb could leave to destroy England after breakfast and be back before bedtime.

Nevertheless, I do think that "arms" was used purposefully - which beg the question, how much weight can you really give to the technical based opinions someone alive 250 years ago?

Personally, I would draw the line at restricting "indiscriminate weapons"... very much like the 1934 NFA.

There are limitations on the 1st amendment when free speech endangers the shraby Jan 2013 #1
To see the intent of the 2nd, you can check the relevant laws at the time it was ratified. jmg257 Jan 2013 #2
+1. bemildred Jan 2013 #15
- Considering that all powers Chathamization Jan 2013 #23
You don't need to imagine - just have to read the constitution! :) jmg257 Jan 2013 #27
Wikipedia says... joeybee12 Jan 2013 #32
That - and the whole "treason" definition in the Constitution! jmg257 Jan 2013 #34
Uniformity - hmmm nt LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #35
was everyone- including women and african americans allowed to by guns? bettyellen Jan 2013 #43
See how what works? Not sure what you are saying. nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #44
the intent was never to let all americans have free unregulated access to all weapons bettyellen Jan 2013 #46
Yep. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #3
A nuke contains hazardous materials rightsideout Jan 2013 #4
The NFA of 1934 defined the limits of what civilians can own hack89 Jan 2013 #5
It's Not A Strawman Arugment. "Arms" Technology Changes Over Time. Yavin4 Jan 2013 #6
There were deadlier weapons than "assault weapons" being sold to civilians before 1934 hack89 Jan 2013 #7
So, Then You Agree That Banning High Capacity Guns Is Not An Infringement of the 2nd Amendment Yavin4 Jan 2013 #9
" High Capacity Guns" is a meaningless term hack89 Jan 2013 #10
No one should own a gun that can shoot more than 6 rounds without re-loading Yavin4 Jan 2013 #20
OK. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #21
What's magical about the number 6? Bake Jan 2013 #31
Most people have revolvers with six rounds Yavin4 Jan 2013 #39
I assume you've done the research to know what "most people" own? Bake Jan 2013 #41
"And a standard issue 14 or 15 round mag in a semi-auto handgun is HARDLY a WMD" Yavin4 Jan 2013 #42
WMD = Weapon of Mass Destruction Bake Jan 2013 #48
Do You Know How Many People Died in the July 2005 Subway Bombings in London? Yavin4 Jan 2013 #49
Well, the Supreme Court did weigh in Chathamization Jan 2013 #24
I believe it is illegal to own a shotgun with less than 18 inch barrel and if hunting water fowl Bandit Jan 2013 #8
Yes cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #11
Anarchy jambo101 Jan 2013 #12
Here is the position of the gun nuts bongbong Jan 2013 #13
The language of the amendment leaves it somewhat open. bemildred Jan 2013 #14
Of course there are limits. And there should be. rrneck Jan 2013 #16
As long as you can own a single-shot musket, then your right to bear arms is NOT infringed Hugabear Jan 2013 #17
That's not a very compelling argument onenote Jan 2013 #18
Do you believe the 2nd Amendment gives you the right to own ANY type of arms you want? Hugabear Jan 2013 #36
Nope. But I don't think that, as currently interpreted by the SCOTUS, it can be limited to muskets onenote Jan 2013 #37
As long as you can read and print just 1 book...N/T beevul Jan 2013 #33
So you know nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #40
Lexington wasn't holding Nukes or even Cannon One_Life_To_Give Jan 2013 #19
SC has been here stklurker Jan 2013 #22
Lots of limitations. For example, the "well regulated militia" Taverner Jan 2013 #25
There are certainly limitations: elleng Jan 2013 #26
There are a number of arguments that all converge on the same area... k2qb3 Jan 2013 #28
"well regulated" riverwalker Jan 2013 #29
Yes, there are limits. The 2008 SCOTUS decision D.C. v Heller Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #30
I honestly believe the vague use of the term "arms" was purposefully done to OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #38
I say the right path here is the COMMERCE clause. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #45
sigh....ffs Marrah_G Jan 2013 #47
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