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GreenStormCloud

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37. Let's be honest, shall we?
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 09:48 PM
Jan 2013

Police officer spend only a tiny amount of that six months on firearms training. They spend it on studying law, (kind of hard to enforce the law if you don't know the law), arrest procedures, search and seizure, how to write a report, how to drive, how criminals operate, etc.

Most criminals desire to commit their crime, usually robbery, and then escape. To do that they will have to go through several steps. First they will have to select the victim. They will choose one that they feel completely confident that they can subdue. Often they will look for a person who is oblivious to his surrounds so they can surprise him. And of course, they will look for weaker people.

Then the criminal will try to isolate the victim. If the intended victim is alert and observes that he is being isolated, or boxed in, then he has time to get ready. (NO. YOU DON'T DRAW THE GUN YET.) You clear the path to the gun, but still keep it concealed. Most street criminals will observe the "clearing the path" move and will abort their attack. There are lots of good videos on the subject, and they are not John Wayne-ish.

Guns can't be uninvented. So your wish to eliminate them from the Earth is nothing more than a fantasy. And the murder rate for the medieval period was very high.

No one here claims that a gun on their person will enable them to defend against ANY violence. But it will damn sure enable a person to defend against much violence. I choose not to be a helpless victim.

You'll become another victim, that's all. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #1
Yours is a question that is too logical for Wayne LaPierre to have considered. Squinch Jan 2013 #2
A couple of ideas... Flatulo Jan 2013 #5
I work in schools. If we put weapons in the classrooms, I will stop doing so. So will many others. Squinch Jan 2013 #30
Aside from inside a school, would you kill to save your own life? Just trying to understand Flatulo Jan 2013 #32
I work in very bad areas. I have had guns pointed at me on three occasions in the past 10 years. Squinch Jan 2013 #33
Thanks for sharing those stories. You certainly have had enough bad experiences with guns Flatulo Jan 2013 #39
Arming teachers is not a very good idea. They're just not trained for it, and I agree that a Flatulo Jan 2013 #3
I really don't get the need for CCW rightsideout Jan 2013 #4
I think the very first priority should be to protect our children. If this requires someone Flatulo Jan 2013 #6
What if a student got a hold of the gun? DebJ Jan 2013 #7
And we won't spend money on textbooks, but now we're going to spend the money to arm the Squinch Jan 2013 #38
It's better than throwing books....that being said carrying a PSD ileus Jan 2013 #8
Look you're getting it all wrong... repeat after me: OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #9
Proactive vs. Reactive Heimer Jan 2013 #22
Um... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #23
Ahhh i see. Heimer Jan 2013 #24
Hopefully we'll trust you to dispense Tylenol to your students gollygee Jan 2013 #10
Yep. Exactly. nt Chorophyll Jan 2013 #13
"Good Guy With A Gun"... KharmaTrain Jan 2013 #11
Either or.... loose wheel Jan 2013 #14
Projection Games Won't Work Here... KharmaTrain Jan 2013 #16
Guns aren't the problem loose wheel Jan 2013 #18
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #19
Why? loose wheel Jan 2013 #21
bullshit spanone Jan 2013 #26
Are you suggesting that there is some moral wiggle room for people who go into schools and Flatulo Jan 2013 #42
A classroom is a tight small space loose wheel Jan 2013 #12
20 meters...? 60 feet...? Ever been in a combat situation? Ever hear of "buck fever"? nt Bigmack Jan 2013 #27
yes and yes. loose wheel Jan 2013 #31
The firefights I was in must have been different from yours... Bigmack Jan 2013 #35
That video was rigged for the armed student to fail. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #36
I had training as well loose wheel Jan 2013 #40
How about the trained Special Forces guys... Bigmack Jan 2013 #41
... loose wheel Jan 2013 #43
There are other reasons to own such weapons hack89 Jan 2013 #15
A few things Recursion Jan 2013 #17
I think that we should install a gun emplacement in each classroom Orrex Jan 2013 #20
Funky Winkerbean. JohnnyRingo Jan 2013 #29
"Good guy" and "Bad guy" are absolutisms, and very naive. The world is not black and white. For Erose999 Jan 2013 #25
Very good point. JohnnyRingo Jan 2013 #28
About the Giffords shooting loose wheel Jan 2013 #44
Let's be honest shall we? Savannahmann Jan 2013 #34
Let's be honest, shall we? GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #37
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