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nadinbrzezinski

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26. The fact that it happened

Mon Jan 14, 2013, 12:59 PM

Jan 2013

They tried to balance that reality...it happened.

It is not an endorsement.

Their goal was that it would make audiences think. Some are left with it works, som that it does not. Their test audiences were at about fifty/fifty.

For the record, it does not work.

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Academy member calls for Oscars boycott of Zero Dark Thirty [View all] Jefferson23 Jan 2013 OP

Ed Asner and Martin Sheen have stated similar sentiments. no_hypocrisy Jan 2013 #1

Thanks for posting that..Amnesty International has released concerns about the film too. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #2

Good (nt) NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #3

"Zero Dark Thirty: Torturing the Facts" think Jan 2013 #4

Thanks for that info. nt proverbialwisdom Jan 2013 #62

Exactly... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #139

Moot, since Lincoln will win, but ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #5

Wouldn't be a protest if they waited until after the Oscars were over. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #6

Just a comment - never thought about this - but ZDT is my initials Stringfellow Hawke Jan 2013 #44

Haven't seen it yet... hootinholler Jan 2013 #7

You're correct: Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #9

in practice I am not sure we believe that hfojvt Jan 2013 #36

The ends should never justify the means.... WCGreen Jan 2013 #54

Mark Boal also helped write In The Valley of Elah, a movie very critical of the Iraq War ButterflyBlood Jan 2013 #89

Torture was shown to not work. Real police detective work was shown to work. graham4anything Jan 2013 #82

That's your take as a reasonbly intelligent Democrat.... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #96

Yup. It's the opposite of the Tarentino Django movie graham4anything Jan 2013 #98

Republicans have no limits on their outrageous behavior...haven't had any Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #105

Like that line from Dark Night. "I know you're going to enjoy... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #114

I'm boycotting it because it does show the torture as being useful, pnwmom Jan 2013 #120

apparently you never watched '24'. ellenfl Jan 2013 #140

Saw the movie last night. 99Forever Jan 2013 #8

See post #9. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #10

huh? Schema Thing Jan 2013 #11

Next they can make a fictional Iraq war movie think Jan 2013 #13

...and the protagonist finds those pallets of cash! leftstreet Jan 2013 #24

Now that's one happy ending. think Jan 2013 #31

And don't forget! The guy gets the gal at the end! KansDem Jan 2013 #126

And Birth of A Nation was just entertainment! kenny blankenship Jan 2013 #41

Except that movie was supposed to be racist obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #75

"Except that.. "that part of history" was depicted in an irresponsible and inaccurate way." 99Forever Jan 2013 #14

Real story perhaps goes more like this?: think Jan 2013 #17

What's your point? 99Forever Jan 2013 #19

You made a statement as to the real story. think Jan 2013 #21

"made a statement as to the real story"... 99Forever Jan 2013 #22

My bad. How about you made a statement in regards to the real story think Jan 2013 #23

Senators are privy to classified information tabasco Jan 2013 #56

"Credibility" with who? 99Forever Jan 2013 #59

So you're gonna believe what some Hollywood liberal puts in a film tularetom Jan 2013 #83

Here's a really crazy thought! 99Forever Jan 2013 #100

Did someone tell you to "take their word as gospel"? LanternWaste Jan 2013 #97

Bu bye... 99Forever Jan 2013 #103

Were the filmmakers there? Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #117

What? 99Forever Jan 2013 #119

Twice in this thread you dismissed people's take on the issue of the movie's portrayal of torture... Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #121

"The filmmakers" ... 99Forever Jan 2013 #125

You could answer without the personal attacks Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #146

Pot... 99Forever Jan 2013 #147

I am not acting like a victim, I am merely stating my opinion Bjorn Against Jan 2013 #148

what exacty did the movie say about torture? hfojvt Jan 2013 #37

It didn't really "say" much about it at all... 99Forever Jan 2013 #40

To depict torture without taking a stand at least artistically about it makes that depiction Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #66

+1 n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #67

Well then... 99Forever Jan 2013 #68

Illustrating a thing in fictional detail without taking a moral stance is then condoning a thing? LanternWaste Jan 2013 #99

This is not what I said. What I did say is that her contention that she made a neutral reporting Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #129

I feel the same way sad-cafe Jan 2013 #116

Exactly Aerows Jan 2013 #25

Probably goes back to when Hitler bombed Pearl Harbor SoCalDem Jan 2013 #109

Good - history must not be rewritten to suit Bushco malaise Jan 2013 #12

How does the movie do that? ButterflyBlood Jan 2013 #85

The torture link to evidence n/t malaise Jan 2013 #86

Have you seen it? ButterflyBlood Jan 2013 #90

I was going to add that I hadn't seen it yet malaise Jan 2013 #101

Exactly. 99Forever Jan 2013 #128

From the clips I've seen, it doesn't look that good anyway. progressoid Jan 2013 #15

Ridiculous. railsback Jan 2013 #16

it's not surprising that Zero Dark Thirty would have innacuracies in it WooWooWoo Jan 2013 #18

I watched Hurt Locker with a real explosives expert from Afghanistan. Tempest Jan 2013 #28

Do not watch Hunt for Red October with a Submariner nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #33

I watched SHOWGIRLS with a stripper zappaman Jan 2013 #49

Agreed marions ghost Jan 2013 #61

And the other half will tell you it does not work nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #64

Sounds like a good way to marions ghost Jan 2013 #65

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #122

Don't you mean Rorschach test? CE5 Jan 2013 #80

"First Roeshart test in film, from what I can tell." zappaman Jan 2013 #107

Do NOT watch any movie about airliners or aviation with a pilot Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #73

I watched Star Wars with a member of the Rebellion... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #102

LOL! zappaman Jan 2013 #106

I did just that AnnieBW Jan 2013 #113

Has Anyone Asked The Author(s) What Their Intention Was For Including Torture In This Movie?....nt global1 Jan 2013 #20

The fact that it happened nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #26

So they never actually stated in the movie bama_blue_dot Jan 2013 #58

No. They go through the mishaps nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #60

Should we sanitize us history and ignore we did torture people? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #27

The issue is the false narrative the movie creates Tempest Jan 2013 #29

No it does not nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #32

Yes it does... Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #47

You can talk to actual audience members like Altman nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #63

I did not include those scenes because the movie did not portray that they worked. Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #104

McCain has an agenda nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #123

This whole debate is over a very very small part the movie. But think Jan 2013 #132

The rubb you run into is nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #133

I am not disagreeing that torture happened. Only that it helped find OBL think Jan 2013 #135

Audience members are split nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #136

Yes. Keep the torture in. Still either the CIA, the Senators, or the director is lying think Jan 2013 #137

There was torture nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #138

That's it in a nutshell..thanks think. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #134

Negative railsback Jan 2013 #34

You are right. Luminous Animal Jan 2013 #50

No, it doesn't obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #76

Then you didn't watch very closely. Schema Thing Jan 2013 #108

AI has issued statements regarding the film. see post #9. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #45

Was it nominated as a documentary? leftynyc Jan 2013 #30

It doesn't seem like too many here actually saw it. railsback Jan 2013 #35

I haven't seen it and leftynyc Jan 2013 #38

I Saw It Before It Opened, and I Posted About It Yavin4 Jan 2013 #43

Propaganda? railsback Jan 2013 #69

Not a documentary, and the boycott is due to the implication that torture Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #46

The implication in the movie was that torture didn't work. railsback Jan 2013 #70

I don't think so. Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #71

The boycott is ridiculous railsback Jan 2013 #115

That is not what the boycott is establishing as a criticism. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #118

Oh, really? railsback Jan 2013 #141

I saw it, and my takeway was that the torture yielded nothing obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #78

I saw it obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #77

Absolutely Warranted kenny blankenship Jan 2013 #39

I Concur. It's Pure, Manipulative CIA Propaganda Yavin4 Jan 2013 #42

LOL. Argo is quite critical of US foreign policy and backing the Shah ButterflyBlood Jan 2013 #95

Kathryn Bigelow is the auditioning for the role of Leni Riefenstahl. Dawson Leery Jan 2013 #48

+1 (nt) whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #57

What a horrible and ridiculous thing to say about her obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #72

Not far off IMO whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #111

It's an excellent movie zappaman Jan 2013 #51

The PI movie looks to be a visual wonder, I want to see it. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #52

It is! zappaman Jan 2013 #53

This just sounds like someone looking to get their name in the spotlight. socialaidem Jan 2013 #55

It is a good movie and does not advocate torture obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #74

I think Lincoln is the likely winner too. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #79

A good article answering Bigelow's critics obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #81

The Oscars have always been political. Yet I understand the boycott and their concerns. Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #92

Great slapdown of the pearl-clutching... 99Forever Jan 2013 #130

Torture is not legal. Nor is it entertainment. tblue Jan 2013 #84

I would recommend then you not watching homeland or in the past, 24. There was far more in those graham4anything Jan 2013 #88

If one hasn't seen the movie, how can you judge? graham4anything Jan 2013 #87

It shows the whole world the Brutality of America lovuian Jan 2013 #91

Amen. mmonk Jan 2013 #93

I've seen the movie. "Torture works" is not a message I got from it at all. ButterflyBlood Jan 2013 #94

Whoah there did we see the same movie...I saw a woman picking up lovuian Jan 2013 #110

Vote for "Les Miz" instead! AnnieBW Jan 2013 #112

"Miles Drentell" you never stop surprising! Iris Jan 2013 #124

True, not surprising at all. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2013 #127

If Judgement at Nuremeberg can win an Oscar. Why can't the opposite? nt raouldukelives Jan 2013 #131

LOL. Indeed, why not nominate Jud Süß ? kenny blankenship Jan 2013 #143

I'll be seeing it this week sometime BarackTheVote Jan 2013 #142

On an ethical level the issue seems to be the truth claim flamingdem Jan 2013 #144

People tend to believe what they see projected 50 feet high on a screen kenny blankenship Jan 2013 #145