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AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
176. Me neither.
Sun Jan 13, 2013, 05:35 AM
Jan 2013

I can't quite say anything about the long term(that is, a millenium or two), but certainly, it won't happen in the short term, at least not on a global scale.

I would bet on a period of change and transformation more then anything.


Seems reasonable to me.
Too many people and too few resources...and that gap is increasing rapidly. nt. OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #1
It's not the amount of resources. It's the distribution. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #216
I partly agree, but..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #223
Yes, it is. It's just basic math... OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #241
This is where we learn, through our actions or inactions, whether the species is worthy of being Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #2
define sustainable DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #28
I'll leave that to those who will either live or die through its initiation or failure. Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #40
Humans have always been parasites upon the planet. Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #80
+1, n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #82
yes,and DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #138
Who cares? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #143
part of the reason those " simpler times" were easier on the planet is because we died younger. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #151
It has more to do with resource use in the West than with population explosion in the rest. antigone382 Jan 2013 #154
Population is only a concern... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #155
no sorry if I was a little unclear. didn't mean that it's the fault of subsistence populations BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #157
Yes, you're right, and I don't mean to dismiss your point. antigone382 Jan 2013 #159
Surplus accumulation leads to exponential growth NoOneMan Jan 2013 #158
True DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #175
I'd define sustainable, for starters, truebluegreen Jan 2013 #59
Exactly. First Nations consider water to be life, children to be sacred. These are good ideas Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #81
+100 truebluegreen Jan 2013 #112
Nature most certainly culled primitive people NoOneMan Jan 2013 #74
Huge maternal and infant mortality rate without OBs and C-sections. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #152
Of course DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #160
Lets trash modern diets, stresses and environmental toxins NoOneMan Jan 2013 #163
stresses? DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #167
Stress is working 40-60 hours/week for a seat in the good house that exploits the rest of the world NoOneMan Jan 2013 #171
Interestingly enough, foraging humans didn't experience high perinatal and infant mortality rates NoOneMan Jan 2013 #162
sustainable kardonb Jan 2013 #166
Why is the belief that technology will always save you more rational than that of God saving you? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #172
And I Was Just Getting Over the Flu Too! triplepoint Jan 2013 #3
prince fucking charles? he's the 'expert'? please. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #4
Yes. He is, and the article is right. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #11
I am sick of the class that uses & directs enormous resources for their own profit posing as HiPointDem Jan 2013 #25
Charles Windsor, if you prefer, is actually well-known as committed to environmental causes Hekate Jan 2013 #30
he makes a profit on his investments, too. funny he would care about such things, what with HiPointDem Jan 2013 #32
So does every successful renewable energy company NickB79 Jan 2013 #36
So does Warren Buffet. I'd say he's on 'our' side, though. randome Jan 2013 #45
"His" money is for having Ilsa Jan 2013 #35
Do you lump Al Gore in with Sir Charles? AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #72
If you read the "profit from investments" quote, they probably do. joshcryer Jan 2013 #131
I don't think HRH Prince Charles is so bad..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #121
Sorry, but I know someone in the field, and environmentalism is not psyops. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #248
If you read the paper Prince Charles is cited only for a quote. joshcryer Jan 2013 #130
Read the fucking article. It's not "Prince Charles." joshcryer Jan 2013 #129
He's been evangelising about environmental issues for decades. nt. sibelian Jan 2013 #179
^^^ This truebrit71 Jan 2013 #202
Oh, goody. Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #5
I take it you're not too worried about it? Comrade Grumpy Jan 2013 #48
More like I can't do anything about it Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #56
You don't have to 'control' something to be helpful, do you? randome Jan 2013 #58
I'm an activist. Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #66
Okay. Sorry to have assumed anything, then. randome Jan 2013 #146
Is it environmentally responsible AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #73
It's not just you acting alone but all of us acting collectively CreekDog Jan 2013 #206
don't go by them: they have posted that the Clean Air Act doesn't apply to the Bay Area CreekDog Jan 2013 #210
"So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?" NoOneMan Jan 2013 #75
Yes, 'cause that's exactly Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #83
Feel free to elaborate in the next doomer article NoOneMan Jan 2013 #85
you made fun of something you say you take seriously CreekDog Jan 2013 #211
Exactly! AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #90
In contrast to what? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #98
It does matter, thank you very much, because it's part of the reason we're still in this mess, AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #101
Since nothing is apparently "working", what difference does it make? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #104
You're not getting it. You REALLY aren't. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #110
Yeah, you aren't making sense NoOneMan Jan 2013 #111
Well, I'm sorry if I haven't been able to explain things to your satisfaction. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #126
Its a mystic thing, right? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #128
Really? AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #132
for someone who claims to believe in the dangers of global climate change, why do you... CreekDog Jan 2013 #213
Enough of the dishonesty already. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #222
Good old Joe can sure twist it up, eh? RobertEarl Jan 2013 #127
Hey, I'll admit I'm not all that good at explaining myself, compared to some..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #188
You said: NoOneMan Jan 2013 #192
Took me out of context again, I see. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #227
Yet you haven't proved it. You wont. You can't. NoOneMan Jan 2013 #236
..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #238
Prove it then! NoOneMan Jan 2013 #239
Oh, and since its part of this mess.... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #106
WTF? AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #189
You said it was part of the problem NoOneMan Jan 2013 #190
Please, no more semantics. Seriously. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #198
Oh, are you trying to say alarmism increases denialism or some crap like that? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #199
Believe what you want. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #203
Thanks for trying... NoOneMan Jan 2013 #204
You keep using these idiotic semantics. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #208
The people saying that we're playing with fire and likely to get burned aren't the problem CreekDog Jan 2013 #212
Nope. Sorry, but the reality is...... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #214
calling us "extreme doom mongers" CreekDog Jan 2013 #215
Nice try, but no cigar. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #217
tens of millions of Bangladeshis displaced by minor increases in sea level isn't a bad thing to you? CreekDog Jan 2013 #219
I never said that, and you know it. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #220
if you think it's a big deal, stop arguing against people who think climate change is a big deal CreekDog Jan 2013 #224
What I've been arguing against..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #225
the OP does not posit "inevitable collapse" but you are attempting to make a straw man of the OP CreekDog Jan 2013 #226
I'm not the one who engaged in strawmen here. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #229
for someone who is living what was once an inland sea, you are pretty cavalier CreekDog Jan 2013 #209
Will the cyborgs save us? ErikJ Jan 2013 #6
Most of humanity could die off without cyborgs lunatica Jan 2013 #52
Don't say that to the Republicans...severely limit human fertility? Frustratedlady Jan 2013 #97
Corporations such as Monsanto and BP, and the do-nothing Republicans will speed the process. AdHocSolver Jan 2013 #7
And of course all the gleeful investors. Willing to kill anything for a dollar. raouldukelives Jan 2013 #39
Your post reminds me of something said to me by a scientist friend of mine. airplaneman Jan 2013 #168
''The problems we face today cannot be solved by the minds that created them.'' – Albert Einstein DeSwiss Jan 2013 #8
It's HIGH time for every Gov't on earth to require their decision makers to 99th_Monkey Jan 2013 #9
Prophetic marions ghost Jan 2013 #187
Hm. Our food supply is pretty robust, actually. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #10
Actually, we are ruining our soil with fossil-fuel-based fertilizers. For the moment, we produce JDPriestly Jan 2013 #13
This is the end result of Capitalism AZ Progressive Jan 2013 #16
Its the result of not understanding our impacts on the greater system NoOneMan Jan 2013 #69
Not just depeling the soil AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #18
Years ago in NW Iowa the trees grew along the river banks on every farm and along the roads etc. jwirr Jan 2013 #43
I'm very glad you're seeing a reversal in planting the trees back lunatica Jan 2013 #54
We're sucking the aquifers dry. CrispyQ Jan 2013 #76
yeah...stupidity is the one infinite resource. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #153
Yes they started that after they drained their wells dry by getting rid of the trees. It is sad to jwirr Jan 2013 #180
A 5 year drought would destroy our food supply in quick order. joshcryer Jan 2013 #134
And a 100 year drought? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #140
Interesting ... MindMover Jan 2013 #169
Prince Charles stated this: AZ Progressive Jan 2013 #12
" We have to see ourselves as utterly embedded in Nature" hootinholler Jan 2013 #37
In the cosmic scheme of things... nikto Jan 2013 #14
What you said tavalon Jan 2013 #22
Some people think we are why the universe exists NoOneMan Jan 2013 #70
They're idiots for thinking the Earth is 6,000 years old, however..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #103
As long as civilization is preserved, yes, probably not much more will happen biologically NoOneMan Jan 2013 #107
And, TBH, any one of us Americans would be more likely to die in an auto accident in any given year, AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #108
Depends what you mean by short term NoOneMan Jan 2013 #109
I had 2050 or so in mind. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #113
Yeah, maybe your techno-God will save you in 2050 NoOneMan Jan 2013 #117
No "optimism" here. Just a more realistic outlook, that's all. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #118
Your reality is a result of confirmation bias NoOneMan Jan 2013 #120
What confirmation bias? What conflict? AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #123
"Its going to all come down to food." nikto Jan 2013 #177
I believe Isaac Asimov pondered that in an article. CrispyQ Jan 2013 #77
Or perhaps we expect other intelligent life to mimic our own. Perhaps other intelligent life KittyWampus Jan 2013 #218
I suppose so. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #221
So many possibilities! CrispyQ Jan 2013 #244
I wish I could agree with that.....n/t AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #102
In the grander cosmic scheme of things... Xithras Jan 2013 #149
+1000 n/t sendero Jan 2013 #207
We should consider the possibility... nikto Jan 2013 #15
Speak for yourself and not for my daughters, okay? randome Jan 2013 #46
Reminder: Ehrlich wrote "The Population Bomb" in 1968. moondust Jan 2013 #17
It's not just Ehrlich AZ Progressive Jan 2013 #20
Planet Under Pressure, State of the Planet Declaration AZ Progressive Jan 2013 #23
Thanks. n/t moondust Jan 2013 #24
I heard about the "Club of Rome" in the early 70's.... AntiFascist Jan 2013 #29
Around the time Borlaug got hybrids to sustain populations. joshcryer Jan 2013 #136
And that spurred research into population dynamics. Iterate Jan 2013 #253
What. you mean, Paul Ehrlich and Prince Charles? That's it? AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #19
Checked out Australia lately? truebluegreen Jan 2013 #65
Did I say anything about drought? No. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #84
Drought--massive widespread drought--in one or several of the world's breadbaskets-- truebluegreen Jan 2013 #122
Okay, it does happen sometimes. No biggie. =) AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #124
Erlich was right. Viking12 Jan 2013 #99
Was that Wiki article I posted not enough? AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #135
He couldn't predict Norman Borlaug's agri-innovations. joshcryer Jan 2013 #137
World War Z tavalon Jan 2013 #21
LOL....I don't think so. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #105
I did mean that tavalon Jan 2013 #178
Wait.. what? Fumesucker Jan 2013 #26
The 'preppers' can't manufacture ground water out of nothing. Or breathable air. randome Jan 2013 #47
Too late! Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #27
It doesn't take a PhD to figure out the world is going all to s*** davidn3600 Jan 2013 #31
I don't think so, TBH. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #125
I don't know this "news organization" cali Jan 2013 #33
No, Fox News reads like a comic book Agony Jan 2013 #133
The writing has been on the wall for a long time but most CHOOSE to ignore it stultusporcos Jan 2013 #34
The corporations still control our government AZ Progressive Jan 2013 #44
They only control what we allow them to control. That's where the problem lies. randome Jan 2013 #50
Big Corporations make sure any alternatives to them are inconvenient AZ Progressive Jan 2013 #79
I hear you. But a few well-placed laws forbidding those practices would solve it. randome Jan 2013 #144
I am not a prepper, survivalist or gun nutter, just a regular guy who likes to be prepared. airplaneman Jan 2013 #170
Don't worry, when every tree is cut down & every river is poisoned, we can eat money. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #38
"Everyone whatchamacallit Jan 2013 #41
some of us have been saying this for a while now I am B Jan 2013 #42
Some of us have even been YELLING it marions ghost Jan 2013 #191
thanks for the welcome I am B Jan 2013 #243
Duers--passionate about the issues, intelligent marions ghost Jan 2013 #245
Is your handle taken from Dan Quinn's novel? GliderGuider Jan 2013 #249
I to am a fan of Ishmael and I am B Jan 2013 #255
I thought so. Good on ya. GliderGuider Jan 2013 #256
You had me right up until "too much growth"..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #197
thanks for welcome, this place is amazing I am B Jan 2013 #242
Wow, there's some surprising willful blindness on this thread. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2013 #49
The Corrosive Effect Of Three Decades Of FrightWing Politics cantbeserious Jan 2013 #51
Cynicism has become the new normal it seems lunatica Jan 2013 #61
I see the opposite. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #88
And that is why you might need a gun. dkf Jan 2013 #53
You'd probably be better off with a community. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2013 #55
Yeah the communities will organize with guns. dkf Jan 2013 #57
Cool, a new arms race for the end times. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2013 #62
Where have you been? dkf Jan 2013 #64
Busy living my life, without a gun. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2013 #92
I have to agree. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #116
How are you going to manufacture breathable air? randome Jan 2013 #60
Needing a gun in order to survive is very different lunatica Jan 2013 #63
You have to be fucking kidding me. Are you going to shoot climate change? Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #68
Not rightly, WRONGLY. n/t AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #114
This is the same Erlich who though there would be 1st Word mass starvation... Odin2005 Jan 2013 #67
Exactly! AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #89
Ehrlich was right. Viking12 Jan 2013 #100
When do we get to quit our day jobs? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #71
Big picture ... mankind often does little 'till after a catastrophic event. My take is RKP5637 Jan 2013 #78
Yes, you will be. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #86
Thanks! RKP5637 Jan 2013 #91
No offense meant with that last comment, btw. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #93
No, you didn't offend me at all. RKP5637 Jan 2013 #94
Well at least all of our nuclear wastes are safely disposed of for tens of thousands of years Tom Rinaldo Jan 2013 #87
Revisiting The Limits to Growth: Could The Club of Rome Have Been Correct, After All? FarCenter Jan 2013 #95
The meaning of homo sapiens existence PATRICK Jan 2013 #96
Even if we last several million more years....we will still have been a blip on the radar. NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #115
True, but we aren't at all likely to go extinct in at least the next several thousand years or so... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #119
So, start phasing out oil limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #139
Sure, and this will decrease GDP NoOneMan Jan 2013 #141
Go stand in front of a bulldozer limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #142
Itll win NoOneMan Jan 2013 #145
I don't disagree with the idea that the odds are against us. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #148
And it may not be closed for some time, really. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #161
Where are you getting your info? limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #182
Yeah, well..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #183
I'm not good at science stuff so I just follow what the scientists are saying. limpyhobbler Jan 2013 #184
Hansen is alright, but he's said some pretty way-out stuff before. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #185
Can you provide examples of what has been "constructive"? NoOneMan Jan 2013 #200
"I don't "get" my "information" from anywhere." GliderGuider Jan 2013 #201
Well, Hello, GG, long time no see. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #205
A failure of education or imagination? GliderGuider Jan 2013 #228
It's not so much an aversion to anything as trying to be realistic. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #233
As my father used to say, "You can lead a horse to water," GliderGuider Jan 2013 #240
One cosmic instant by John a. Livingston a natural history of human arrogance kimbutgar Jan 2013 #147
overpopulation. overpopulation. overpopulation. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #150
Mainly in North America NoOneMan Jan 2013 #174
but instead of a.. stuntcat Jan 2013 #231
Humans are too stupid to control our overpopulation. tabasco Jan 2013 #156
So the preppers and gun nuts are right then? pediatricmedic Jan 2013 #164
Not at all NoOneMan Jan 2013 #173
Me neither. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #176
Even if the world's superpowers could do anything about it, we know they wouldn't. blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #165
We'll almost all be dead by 2100 FarCenter Jan 2013 #181
Not even close to likely..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #186
More reactionary over optimism from you NoOneMan Jan 2013 #193
This message was self-deleted by its author AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #195
Just add 87 years to everyone's age; even the majority of newborns won't live to 2100. FarCenter Jan 2013 #194
Well, okay, but the way you phrased it..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #196
i'm starting to get very worried samsingh Jan 2013 #230
I'm pretty concerned as well, Sam. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #234
thanks for the post. i'll review it. samsingh Jan 2013 #246
So when everything collapses madville Jan 2013 #232
In the extremely unlikely event of a collapse..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #235
I agree, an armed like-minded group would be ideal madville Jan 2013 #237
Global Collapse is for the Little People. Octafish Jan 2013 #247
There are a large number of things that can bring us crashing down - globally. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #250
Theoretically, perhaps..... AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #251
You need to read up on what a Carrington Event would do. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #254
With the droughts reminder2 Jan 2013 #252
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