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pipoman

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11. Background checks are required at gun shows

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 10:15 PM

Jan 2013

by all federal firearms licensees...most of the gun sellers at gun shows are ffls. The "gun show loophole" is unfortunately named. It is actually sales of firearms between 2 residents of the same state, within that state, who are not ffl dealers. In other words, sales at garage sales, between neighbors, off craig's list, or in the parking lot of a gun show. The only sales of firearms regardless the venue, which do not require a background checks are sales between two residents of the same state...intrastate commerce. The federal government does not have jurisdiction to require anything regarding intrastate commerce if the item or product is federally legal to own. This has stalled and killed every "gun show loophole" bill. I am not being snarky or argumentative either, just stating my understanding of this issue.

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I believe the 2nd Amendment gives individuals the right to own guns [View all] arely staircase Jan 2013 OP

Obviously there is too much common sense Still Sensible Jan 2013 #1

I agree pipoman Jan 2013 #2

What is your point about the commerce clause? Wouldn't that be the very part of the arely staircase Jan 2013 #5

Background checks are required at gun shows pipoman Jan 2013 #11

Here is a link to a thread about this pipoman Jan 2013 #14

It is just the political will. The commerce clause thing is just an NRA talking point. DanTex Jan 2013 #17

The feds can't even get states to submit information to NICS pipoman Jan 2013 #22

Agree. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #3

well there are sales between individual citizens and then there are gun shows arely staircase Jan 2013 #10

That was my idea of the form. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #13

The problem is that reasonable goes out the window when people are terrified Taitertots Jan 2013 #4

People are terrified because the old definition of "reasonable" is leaving blood in the streets NoOneMan Jan 2013 #6

We live in the most peaceful era in all of human history Taitertots Jan 2013 #9

one mustn't be terrified to believe gun violence is too high in the US and that there is too easy arely staircase Jan 2013 #15

But we live in the most peaceful era in human history and firearms are more available than ever Taitertots Jan 2013 #18

i have proposed no such thing arely staircase Jan 2013 #7

Who was the victim when you bought the shotgun without a background check? Taitertots Jan 2013 #12

there was no victim arely staircase Jan 2013 #19

Anyone "in the business of selling firearms" must call the NICS for a background check... Taitertots Jan 2013 #21

a national registry isn't politically possible, currently arely staircase Jan 2013 #24

I don't understand your position Taitertots Jan 2013 #25

registry arely staircase Jan 2013 #30

You want a registry, but only if it is made in the most disingenuous way possible? Taitertots Jan 2013 #31

Why not shall issue fiream permits? Individual and unique id numbers. jmg257 Jan 2013 #26

I think you've just about pegged me, too. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #8

I believe the 2nd Amendment gives the people the right to "keep and bear arms" Creideiki Jan 2013 #16

then we differ in that regard arely staircase Jan 2013 #20

Actually.. pipoman Jan 2013 #23

Actually, secures the right, not "gives" the right...whatever that right is. nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #27

Common sense not allowed here, you will now be told you have a small penis, are crazy, a PWG, etc. pediatricmedic Jan 2013 #28

Good point. cui bono Jan 2013 #29