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ancianita

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120. Thanks! I appreciate the possibility of fruitcakes in all kinds of places.
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 06:18 PM
Jan 2013

There's a number floating around that 200 lives are saved defensively through gun use this past year. That against the 30,000 who've died by guns.

I like this guy, and the possibility that I could get shot around someone open carrying, as he speculates, still doesn't seem to me to be any greater than if I were around concealed carriers. Again, as a non-owner, I'd just like to know who's packing. If he draws fire, I'd know who to run from or to.

I've argued this before, I want to see any guns that I'm around Fumesucker Jan 2013 #1
What were the benefits of this again? jmg257 Jan 2013 #2
More honesty, lessening a fear of the tool itself by non-owners? ancianita Jan 2013 #5
Thanks! nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #9
I don't trust any private individual that thinks they need a gun in public. RC Jan 2013 #29
I can't imagine... Dryclean Jan 2013 #127
Welcome to DU, Dryclean! CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2013 #128
Thank you for the welcome Dryclean Jan 2013 #141
Give me liberal Stand-Your-Ground and Castle Laws so I can legally shoot someone jpak Jan 2013 #91
OC's would likely be aware of that and not provoke any occasion for that? ancianita Jan 2013 #95
Their very presence is provocative - that is why assholes open carry in the first place jpak Jan 2013 #98
I can see it now. The NRA will get a law passed that says that RC Jan 2013 #27
This is also a "pistol". yesphan Jan 2013 #55
The SCOTUS only gives you the right to tote in the home. n/t ellisonz Jan 2013 #3
Right. But I'm speaking of Open Carry state law. ancianita Jan 2013 #11
Yeah fuck that shit ellisonz Jan 2013 #12
I'm not saying they HAVE to carry when they walk out the house if they own one. I hope you ancianita Jan 2013 #15
I understood you perfectly... ellisonz Jan 2013 #16
Then don't live in Phoenix. RetroGamer1971 Jan 2013 #102
OC is now legal yesphan Jan 2013 #56
noted ancianita Jan 2013 #58
I have seen many, in stores, eating out redstatebluegirl Jan 2013 #130
Do you realize you'd be legislating how pepole look? rrneck Jan 2013 #4
Only outside the home Fumesucker Jan 2013 #6
You got a problem with nudism? rrneck Jan 2013 #8
I don't care, walk around nude Fumesucker Jan 2013 #18
So, rrneck Jan 2013 #23
Your complaint was that it was legislating the way people look Fumesucker Jan 2013 #24
Do you support laws regulating how people look? rrneck Jan 2013 #26
Let me get this straight because I'm a little slow Fumesucker Jan 2013 #30
Forcing people to expose what they carry on their persons rrneck Jan 2013 #33
It would be illogical to trust someone who clearly doesn't trust me Fumesucker Jan 2013 #38
Can he trust you to save him if he gets assaulted? nt rrneck Jan 2013 #39
If he wears the gun outside his clothes no one is going to assault him in the first place Fumesucker Jan 2013 #40
Hm, another dodge. rrneck Jan 2013 #41
I've already said he can have the gun if he wears it where it is visible Fumesucker Jan 2013 #42
"polite enough to let me know. " rrneck Jan 2013 #43
The vast majority of people who are shot are near a gun at the time: QED Fumesucker Jan 2013 #44
The safety blanket you demand rrneck Jan 2013 #45
I wear seat belts and drive defensively, I wear a helmet when biking and ride as safely as possible Fumesucker Jan 2013 #46
All reasonable precautions... rrneck Jan 2013 #47
I'm asking to be allowed to steer around a known hazard Fumesucker Jan 2013 #48
"invisible things it was deadly to run into" rrneck Jan 2013 #49
You were the one who brought up the road metaphor and first spoke of fear Fumesucker Jan 2013 #50
What right do you have to demand the talisman be exposed? nt rrneck Jan 2013 #52
... Fumesucker Jan 2013 #68
Still dodging. rrneck Jan 2013 #82
I already said you can have a concealed gun if you're nude Fumesucker Jan 2013 #92
Atmosphere rrneck Jan 2013 #105
Have you thought about hiring yourself out as a projector? Fumesucker Jan 2013 #106
Well lets have an oldie but goodie gungeon format rrneck Jan 2013 #107
There is legislation on how people look in nearly every community in the US Fumesucker Jan 2013 #109
Are laws against nudity justified? rrneck Jan 2013 #110
Just the facts ma'am. Fumesucker Jan 2013 #111
But that's not what I asked you. rrneck Jan 2013 #140
What right do you have theKed Jan 2013 #80
Personal privacy. rrneck Jan 2013 #81
Safety theKed Jan 2013 #85
Your desire for gun privacy is weaker than my need for safety. rrneck Jan 2013 #86
Your two sentences about trust are the words I have been trying to put together to explain AlinPA Jan 2013 #94
Heh heh. ancianita Jan 2013 #7
But it works so well in Hollywood westerns. Kablooie Jan 2013 #10
Totally with you. But those towns are supplied with guns mostly from us. Our weapons industry. ancianita Jan 2013 #13
A nit-pick. Concealed carry is compatible with "guns make society more polite" cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #14
I don't endorse it. My gun owning friends have said it, so I use their rationalizations here... ancianita Jan 2013 #17
There you go. Good argument against mandatory open carry. Which seems macho and stupid. Matariki Jan 2013 #53
Agree 1000%. FLyellowdog Jan 2013 #19
If we want our 2nd Amendment, we gotta act like grownups about carrying guns. ancianita Jan 2013 #20
Oh dear lord..... Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #22
Probably not if it's from Gizmodo. nt ancianita Jan 2013 #31
I Go Back to Young Men and Video Games redstatebluegirl Jan 2013 #132
Yep. You're right. "Cool" doesn't scare anyone or promise to be one click away from civil war. ancianita Jan 2013 #134
I have dealt with young people for over 30 years redstatebluegirl Jan 2013 #135
Fair enough. I've seen video games relax and decompress kids with violent, angry lives. Two of ancianita Jan 2013 #136
I don't see a need where private citizens need to carry guns in public, period. Open or concealed. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #21
We do not live in a socialist country. This is the United States of America. xXxDSMer Jan 2013 #142
I was about to call you on all the textbook NRA talking points, but it appears you've been PPR'ed. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #144
Laws about carrying are important but we need to remember what they're for Recursion Jan 2013 #25
I agree OC is the more progressive form of carry. ileus Jan 2013 #28
you're a lunatic. mysuzuki2 Jan 2013 #32
Open fucking cary? Concealed carry rustydog Jan 2013 #34
Who the hell is saying that everyone has to carry a handgun? No. One. Here. Ever. ancianita Jan 2013 #35
I'm much more comfortable with the idea of open carry Aerows Jan 2013 #36
Beyond the privacy boundary of food and self defense, publics have a compelling safety interest in ancianita Jan 2013 #37
I think your neighbor is correct. Too much Wild West in your proposal. Won't end well. Matariki Jan 2013 #51
It may seem unhealthy. It certainly doesn't end well for schools and children, does it. ancianita Jan 2013 #57
I don't think the guy who went into Sandy Hook Elementary was hiding his guns Matariki Jan 2013 #112
I'm not making a premise or an argument. I'm making a proposal with benefits to non-gun owners. ancianita Jan 2013 #113
Carry through with your imagined scenario Matariki Jan 2013 #114
Are you kidding? The guy would've been down and more would still be alive. ancianita Jan 2013 #118
Guy had on a LOT of protective gear Matariki Jan 2013 #119
Right. A real representative example of hard-to-stop crazy. But there's always the head. ancianita Jan 2013 #122
I'm not "intent on", I AM calling it stupid. Matariki Jan 2013 #115
The Pinkertons. ancianita Jan 2013 #117
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #143
IF you as an American citizen are to be allowed to carry in public, HockeyMom Jan 2013 #54
My ongoing, lifelong sentiment exactly! nt ancianita Jan 2013 #59
guns can be shot at somone from a distance samsingh Jan 2013 #60
Oh noes! That just crushes my probability argument, doesn't it! Because you use some ancianita Jan 2013 #61
everyone carrying a gun to satisfy some gun lover's fantasy is pretty silly and scary samsingh Jan 2013 #62
I don't know who you mean.Who here are the "gun lovers." Certainly not me. I'm not even a gun owner. ancianita Jan 2013 #63
okay you win samsingh Jan 2013 #67
I don't have a problem with it. Buns_of_Fire Jan 2013 #64
How incredibly, positive, and absolutely Zoeisright Jan 2013 #65
You can skip the "fucking" part. I want to hear more about the "stupid" part, please. ancianita Jan 2013 #66
Here's the problem I see. Straw Man Jan 2013 #69
So turning to those openly carrying would be useless? Of course concealers always get the jump ancianita Jan 2013 #70
You mean asking the open carriers to save your ass? Straw Man Jan 2013 #71
Not at all. I've not said that gun ownership is to be avoided. I see the need for gun ownership. ancianita Jan 2013 #72
Maybe I misinterpreted this ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #73
Fair enough. My reference to children is an oblique reference to Newtown. I'm interested in adults ancianita Jan 2013 #74
Not sure if concealment ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #75
My first impulse is to say that OC is a humbler display. And fairer by being honest. No one ever ancianita Jan 2013 #87
Sooooo.... xoom Jan 2013 #76
When I see how much CC's put a stop to criminals, then I'll accept your claim. So far I haven't. ancianita Jan 2013 #77
You want valid, reliable proofs to prove your hypothical oppinion wrong? Your Op is what you "think" xoom Jan 2013 #78
What open carry will do is allow me to determine how far I keep myself from armed people Fumesucker Jan 2013 #84
YES!! Why is that? Because legal and political bias establish that frame. ancianita Jan 2013 #88
The victims of most crimes are themselves criminals, so they would be concealed-carrying too Recursion Jan 2013 #79
Yes. ancianita Jan 2013 #83
Anyone openly carrying a handgun in the streets is a threat to society. jpak Jan 2013 #89
If you want to frame it that way, I'll claim that concealed carry is also a threat to society. I ancianita Jan 2013 #90
Give me Stand-Your-Ground and Castle Laws so I can shoot them legally jpak Jan 2013 #93
If' it's mandatory open carry, what are you going to shoot the open carry assholes with? Fumesucker Jan 2013 #96
An AR15 with a 100 round clip backed up with a GLock with a 30 round clip jpak Jan 2013 #99
Practice makes perfect no doubt n/t Fumesucker Jan 2013 #101
Who needs practice pulling a trigger until the ammo runs out? jpak Jan 2013 #103
... Fumesucker Jan 2013 #104
Fine. Have it your way. ancianita Jan 2013 #97
Fire at will then. jpak Jan 2013 #100
Everyone should just wear a suicide vest - problem solved! grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #108
I get the gist of what you are ... 99Forever Jan 2013 #116
Thanks! I appreciate the possibility of fruitcakes in all kinds of places. ancianita Jan 2013 #120
Let's just all get the word "idiot" tattooed on our foreheads. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #121
I'M NOT SAYING MORE! I'm saying that those who wear them out in public should let the public know. ancianita Jan 2013 #123
I live in a state where you're not supposed to "carry" in public either way. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #124
Heh heh. Ya got me. I live in a state that allows both, and the mix is not comfortable ancianita Jan 2013 #125
Great way to figure out who is unarmed and vulnerable. dorkulon Jan 2013 #126
Isn't that what criminals do already? ancianita Jan 2013 #129
Don't read so much into it. dorkulon Jan 2013 #137
Agreed. And handgun manufacturers. ancianita Jan 2013 #138
Yeah, that's what I meant. dorkulon Jan 2013 #139
Sounds like the Wild West Politicub Jan 2013 #131
Fine. I've only been trying to decompress public space and thought the idea might help. ancianita Jan 2013 #133
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