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farminator3000

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64. you also have the right to life, liberty, and happiness. not a gun. or a plane ride.
Sat Jan 12, 2013, 04:01 PM
Jan 2013

DHS Traveler Redress Inquiry Program

The DHS Traveler Redress Inquiry Program (TRIP) is a procedure for travelers who are delayed or denied boarding of an aircraft, consistently receive excess scrutiny at security checkpoints, or are denied entry to the U.S. because they are believed to be or are told that they are on a government watch list. The traveler must complete an online application at the Department of Homeland Security website, print and sign the application, and then submit it with copies of several identifying documents. After reviewing their records, DHS notifies the traveler that if any corrections of data about them were warranted, they will be made.

Travelers who apply for redress through TRIP are assigned a record identifier called a "Redress Control Number". Airline reservations systems allow passengers who have a Redress Control Number to enter it when making their reservation.

DHS TRIP may make it easier for an airline to confirm a traveler's identity. False-positive travelers, whose names match or are similar to the names of persons on the No Fly List, will continue to match that name even after using DHS TRIP, so it will not restore a traveler's ability to use Internet or curbside check-in or to use an automated kiosk. It does usually help the airline identify the traveler as not being the actual person on the No Fly List, after an airline agent has reviewed their identity documents at check-in.

DHS TRIP is often accused of being defunct and existing only to appease civil rights organizations without having any actual effect.
ACLU lawsuit

On August 5, 2010, the ACLU filed a lawsuit on behalf of 14 plaintiffs challenging their placement on the No Fly List.

On April 6, 2004, the American Civil Liberties Union "filed a nationwide class-action challenge to the government's No Fly List", in which they charge that "many innocent travelers who pose no security risk whatsoever are discovering that their government considers them terrorists – and find that they have no way to find out why they are on the list, and no way to clear their names." The case was settled in 2006, when "the federal government agreed to pay $200,000 in attorneys' fees to the ACLU of Northern California" and to " public, for the first time, hundreds of records about the government's secret 'no fly' list used to screen airline passengers after September 11, 2001."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List#False_positives_and_other_controversial_cases

The most offensive position of the NRA [View all] cleveramerican Jan 2013 OP
Most progressives oppose the way the watchlist is operated, do you support it? ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #1
If you can't buy plane ticket, you shouldn't have a gun cleveramerican Jan 2013 #4
I have mixed feelings...if it was well vetted and had reasonable appeal options, I could support it ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #10
IIRC Ted Kennedy was on that list. beevul Jan 2013 #2
I do cleveramerican Jan 2013 #5
Its not perfection, its the process which is pure executive branch fiat ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #12
if we can't agree that suspected TERRORISTS shouldn't have guns...... cleveramerican Jan 2013 #14
I agree with that. I think that their needs to be some fairness in the appeal of that designation ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #18
I am suspicious of " independent" cleveramerican Jan 2013 #26
I think it should be done by the Judicial branch at least ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #48
You answering "I do" to Ted Kennedy on a terror watch list makes anything you say worthless. Logical Jan 2013 #66
In general, NRA asks that there be due process involved with becoming prohibited aikoaiko Jan 2013 #3
which is odd, because they completely ignore due process when it comes to selling guns farminator3000 Jan 2013 #6
What I mean is that before someone is prohibited they are told of the action that will make them... aikoaiko Jan 2013 #22
there could be a seperate federal 'gun owner' blacklist, and you could get a chance to appeal when farminator3000 Jan 2013 #33
Due process is for the government taking away rights, not for citizens using their inherent rights Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #47
you don't have the right to be a public menace farminator3000 Jan 2013 #56
True, but you don't get to unilaterally decree an inherent right a "public menace" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2013 #78
Does anyone really care what NRA "asks." They are a bunch of right wing bigots. Hoyt Jan 2013 #7
So you oppose due process since the NRA supports it? Really? nt hack89 Jan 2013 #11
And gun cultists hide behind due process. Hoyt Jan 2013 #13
So due process is over rated? Overused? Not needed? hack89 Jan 2013 #15
being totally against anything the NRA says is a perfectly sane thing to do farminator3000 Jan 2013 #37
So what do you replace due process with if it is completly insane? hack89 Jan 2013 #38
due process is fine, it is the NRA which is insane. i would replace the NRA with sane people if i farminator3000 Jan 2013 #42
So those 500 don't deserve due process? hack89 Jan 2013 #45
of course not. it isn't logical. "you are on the list. we are watching you" makes the list pointless farminator3000 Jan 2013 #52
So then don't use that list to restrict civil liberties hack89 Jan 2013 #63
people who are dangerous don't get liberties. safety of hundreds comes before 1 person's privilege farminator3000 Jan 2013 #67
And secret government lists are the best way to determine if someone is dangerous? hack89 Jan 2013 #70
what don't you understand about "the list doesn't work if it isn't a secret"? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #72
So as soon as someone is denied the right to buy a gun hack89 Jan 2013 #74
i really don't care about the list, except that it doesn't work for stopping illegal guns farminator3000 Jan 2013 #75
I don't know -- ask the OP who brought up the issue of NRA positions aikoaiko Jan 2013 #24
Gun control always brings out the closet authoritarians. hack89 Jan 2013 #8
gun control is a poisoned term cleveramerican Jan 2013 #17
You reward responsible users and punish irresponsible users. hack89 Jan 2013 #28
getting to keep a gun that is frivolous to the majority of people is your reward farminator3000 Jan 2013 #35
Do you know how people get on that list? hack89 Jan 2013 #41
i don't see it as an issue with 500 US citizens in total on said list farminator3000 Jan 2013 #43
So have the governement bring their evidence to court hack89 Jan 2013 #46
i don't believe the constitution says anything about criminal cases being public info farminator3000 Jan 2013 #54
You have the right to face your accusers hack89 Jan 2013 #61
you also have the right to life, liberty, and happiness. not a gun. or a plane ride. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #64
So don't use the list to restrict civil liberties. hack89 Jan 2013 #69
rights are intangibles, not physical objects farminator3000 Jan 2013 #36
That has nothing to do with this sub-thread hack89 Jan 2013 #40
+1... All sorts of rights-restricting advocacy groups are festooned with closet authoritarians. nt OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #55
what exactly are you doing besides imposing your 'authority' to own any gun you want? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #57
Spending taxpayer money, too. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #65
I oppose the watchlist backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #9
Pretty sure the FBI would oppose that "sensible regulation" as well - they don't petronius Jan 2013 #16
so your in favor of.... cleveramerican Jan 2013 #20
I'm in favor of scupulous protection of civil rights and liberties, for all citizens and for petronius Jan 2013 #23
so thats a yes? cleveramerican Jan 2013 #29
I would not deny any civil right/liberty, nor any freedom, opportunity, choice, petronius Jan 2013 #34
It's not a sensible regulation at all. Look at the ACLU. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #19
all sides rigid positions have not served us well cleveramerican Jan 2013 #21
I'm not going to re-evaluate a basic civil liberty. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #32
funny that the ACLU itself doesn't think guns are a liberty... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #59
Yep. They have chosen to stay neutral. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #73
They actually got that one right. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #25
So, looking at the consensus of the above posts... Wounded Bear Jan 2013 #27
I think thats true cleveramerican Jan 2013 #30
don't forget- silencers....as wholesome, children-friendly accessories...is pretty bad, too! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #31
if you are in any way on a watch list backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #39
there's been some info released it isn't that bad farminator3000 Jan 2013 #44
Isn't that bad is no replacement for civil liberties and due process. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #49
going on a plane or owning a gun = NOT a liberty farminator3000 Jan 2013 #60
What position should be taken other than that? TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #50
I suspect there are a lot of James Yeager types on that list AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #51
Are you f-ing serious? The Bush Terra watchlist is now a credible gov't list?!? OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #53
the list is no big deal. i really couldn't care less farminator3000 Jan 2013 #62
ACLU claims there are more than a million names on those lists. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #68
sounds like the list is a little small to me. plus i count 25 false positives. and too many guns farminator3000 Jan 2013 #71
The NRA is offensive by definition. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #58
I find their blocking of public health research into gun violence more vile. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #76
And The ATF Has Been Without A Director For Six Years, Thanks To The NRA. Paladin Jan 2013 #77
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