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In reply to the discussion: The most offensive position of the NRA [View all]farminator3000
(2,117 posts)60. going on a plane or owning a gun = NOT a liberty
http://www.aclu.org/racial-justice_prisoners-rights_drug-law-reform_immigrants-rights/second-amendment
not a liberty
The ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court's conclusion about the nature of the right protected by the Second Amendment. We do not, however, take a position on gun control itself. In our view, neither the possession of guns nor the regulation of guns raises a civil liberties issue.
not a liberty
The ACLU disagrees with the Supreme Court's conclusion about the nature of the right protected by the Second Amendment. We do not, however, take a position on gun control itself. In our view, neither the possession of guns nor the regulation of guns raises a civil liberties issue.
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Most progressives oppose the way the watchlist is operated, do you support it?
ProgressiveProfessor
Jan 2013
#1
I have mixed feelings...if it was well vetted and had reasonable appeal options, I could support it
ProgressiveProfessor
Jan 2013
#10
Its not perfection, its the process which is pure executive branch fiat
ProgressiveProfessor
Jan 2013
#12
I agree with that. I think that their needs to be some fairness in the appeal of that designation
ProgressiveProfessor
Jan 2013
#18
You answering "I do" to Ted Kennedy on a terror watch list makes anything you say worthless.
Logical
Jan 2013
#66
In general, NRA asks that there be due process involved with becoming prohibited
aikoaiko
Jan 2013
#3
which is odd, because they completely ignore due process when it comes to selling guns
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#6
What I mean is that before someone is prohibited they are told of the action that will make them...
aikoaiko
Jan 2013
#22
there could be a seperate federal 'gun owner' blacklist, and you could get a chance to appeal when
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#33
Due process is for the government taking away rights, not for citizens using their inherent rights
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2013
#47
True, but you don't get to unilaterally decree an inherent right a "public menace"
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2013
#78
being totally against anything the NRA says is a perfectly sane thing to do
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#37
due process is fine, it is the NRA which is insane. i would replace the NRA with sane people if i
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#42
of course not. it isn't logical. "you are on the list. we are watching you" makes the list pointless
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#52
people who are dangerous don't get liberties. safety of hundreds comes before 1 person's privilege
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#67
And secret government lists are the best way to determine if someone is dangerous?
hack89
Jan 2013
#70
what don't you understand about "the list doesn't work if it isn't a secret"?
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#72
i really don't care about the list, except that it doesn't work for stopping illegal guns
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#75
getting to keep a gun that is frivolous to the majority of people is your reward
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#35
i don't believe the constitution says anything about criminal cases being public info
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#54
you also have the right to life, liberty, and happiness. not a gun. or a plane ride.
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#64
+1... All sorts of rights-restricting advocacy groups are festooned with closet authoritarians. nt
OneTenthofOnePercent
Jan 2013
#55
what exactly are you doing besides imposing your 'authority' to own any gun you want?
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#57
Pretty sure the FBI would oppose that "sensible regulation" as well - they don't
petronius
Jan 2013
#16
I'm in favor of scupulous protection of civil rights and liberties, for all citizens and for
petronius
Jan 2013
#23
I would not deny any civil right/liberty, nor any freedom, opportunity, choice,
petronius
Jan 2013
#34
don't forget- silencers....as wholesome, children-friendly accessories...is pretty bad, too!
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#31
Are you f-ing serious? The Bush Terra watchlist is now a credible gov't list?!?
OneTenthofOnePercent
Jan 2013
#53
sounds like the list is a little small to me. plus i count 25 false positives. and too many guns
farminator3000
Jan 2013
#71
I find their blocking of public health research into gun violence more vile.
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2013
#76