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In reply to the discussion: I am watching Oliver Stone's "Untold History" and, wow, I have to say ... [View all]DanTex
(20,709 posts)83. The war in North Africa was essentially a sideshow.
The real war was the Eastern Front. Russia wanted us to open up a real second front of fighting, but we didn't, not until the war was basically already over. Instead we invaded Africa and then up through Italy.
This doesn't make Stalin a good person, or detract from the bravery of our troops, but it is simply historically accurate that Russia deserves far more credit for defeating Germany than the US.
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I am watching Oliver Stone's "Untold History" and, wow, I have to say ... [View all]
redgreenandblue
Jan 2013
OP
Yes. What I have posted is just my initial impression from the first two episodes.
redgreenandblue
Jan 2013
#2
Darlin' ,I just knew you would be able to post the rest of the links I have been looking for!!!
dixiegrrrrl
Jan 2013
#47
Thanks for the links everyone, on to episode 3. It'll be a long night. Very interesting.
JaneyVee
Jan 2013
#53
I'll keep that perspective in mind, but I still want to finish watching the series.
redgreenandblue
Jan 2013
#28
So did our history books when I was coming up, even at the college level.
TheKentuckian
Jan 2013
#36
We certainly killed civilians by design in Dresden, and the British did the same in Berlin
DisgustipatedinCA
Jan 2013
#64
When you find yourself saying "I'm not saying Stalin wasn't the most evil person ever, BUT..."
Recursion
Jan 2013
#15
The big question is, can one directly pin the famines on #1 and #2 of these three.
redgreenandblue
Jan 2013
#30
Re-watch Stone's own picture. He downplayed it and left out most of the details but even he tells
Egalitarian Thug
Jan 2013
#56
Some of us can seperate the sacrifice and contribution of the Russian people
newthinking
Jan 2013
#73
I'd agree with you insofar as saying Stalin had a huge influence on the 20th century
DisgustipatedinCA
Jan 2013
#65
Haven't seen Oliver Stone's version but did see a Russian documentary on Stalin
lunatica
Jan 2013
#12
The brutality of Stalin's is perhaps underrepresented in the Stone documentary.
redgreenandblue
Jan 2013
#13
I'm not trying to excuse the mass murders he commited against his political enemies.
redgreenandblue
Jan 2013
#25
Bingo. The Soviet (as they were known back then) military lost between 8,800,000 to....
OldDem2012
Jan 2013
#70