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ancianita

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57. It may seem unhealthy. It certainly doesn't end well for schools and children, does it.

Fri Jan 11, 2013, 05:15 PM

Jan 2013

It's certainly not healthy to die by another's stealth use of a deadly weapon, either -- a worldwide problem for women and children.

I was accessing my neighbor's language and imagery to approach her on the unfairness and vulnerability for the unarmed when they are around those who conceal deadly weapons. I reject her language, which I only used as she did to convey a more historical outlook that America has appreciated, which translates today into fair notice to non-owners like me who want to know who's carrying.

Pick your unhealthy environment: the tension of silence and denial in a concealed world, or the tension of noticing what eventually becomes part of one's appearance in an open carry world. One can get over discomfort. Death by stealth, not so much.

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New 50-state handgun policy: mandatory Open Carry [View all] ancianita Jan 2013 OP

I've argued this before, I want to see any guns that I'm around Fumesucker Jan 2013 #1

What were the benefits of this again? jmg257 Jan 2013 #2

More honesty, lessening a fear of the tool itself by non-owners? ancianita Jan 2013 #5

Thanks! nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #9

I don't trust any private individual that thinks they need a gun in public. RC Jan 2013 #29

I can't imagine... Dryclean Jan 2013 #127

Welcome to DU, Dryclean! CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2013 #128

Thank you for the welcome Dryclean Jan 2013 #141

Give me liberal Stand-Your-Ground and Castle Laws so I can legally shoot someone jpak Jan 2013 #91

OC's would likely be aware of that and not provoke any occasion for that? ancianita Jan 2013 #95

Their very presence is provocative - that is why assholes open carry in the first place jpak Jan 2013 #98

I can see it now. The NRA will get a law passed that says that RC Jan 2013 #27

This is also a "pistol". yesphan Jan 2013 #55

The SCOTUS only gives you the right to tote in the home. n/t ellisonz Jan 2013 #3

Right. But I'm speaking of Open Carry state law. ancianita Jan 2013 #11

Yeah fuck that shit ellisonz Jan 2013 #12

I'm not saying they HAVE to carry when they walk out the house if they own one. I hope you ancianita Jan 2013 #15

I understood you perfectly... ellisonz Jan 2013 #16

Then don't live in Phoenix. RetroGamer1971 Jan 2013 #102

OC is now legal yesphan Jan 2013 #56

noted ancianita Jan 2013 #58

I have seen many, in stores, eating out redstatebluegirl Jan 2013 #130

Do you realize you'd be legislating how pepole look? rrneck Jan 2013 #4

Only outside the home Fumesucker Jan 2013 #6

You got a problem with nudism? rrneck Jan 2013 #8

I don't care, walk around nude Fumesucker Jan 2013 #18

So, rrneck Jan 2013 #23

Your complaint was that it was legislating the way people look Fumesucker Jan 2013 #24

Do you support laws regulating how people look? rrneck Jan 2013 #26

Let me get this straight because I'm a little slow Fumesucker Jan 2013 #30

Forcing people to expose what they carry on their persons rrneck Jan 2013 #33

It would be illogical to trust someone who clearly doesn't trust me Fumesucker Jan 2013 #38

Can he trust you to save him if he gets assaulted? nt rrneck Jan 2013 #39

If he wears the gun outside his clothes no one is going to assault him in the first place Fumesucker Jan 2013 #40

Hm, another dodge. rrneck Jan 2013 #41

I've already said he can have the gun if he wears it where it is visible Fumesucker Jan 2013 #42

"polite enough to let me know. " rrneck Jan 2013 #43

The vast majority of people who are shot are near a gun at the time: QED Fumesucker Jan 2013 #44

The safety blanket you demand rrneck Jan 2013 #45

I wear seat belts and drive defensively, I wear a helmet when biking and ride as safely as possible Fumesucker Jan 2013 #46

All reasonable precautions... rrneck Jan 2013 #47

I'm asking to be allowed to steer around a known hazard Fumesucker Jan 2013 #48

"invisible things it was deadly to run into" rrneck Jan 2013 #49

You were the one who brought up the road metaphor and first spoke of fear Fumesucker Jan 2013 #50

What right do you have to demand the talisman be exposed? nt rrneck Jan 2013 #52

... Fumesucker Jan 2013 #68

Still dodging. rrneck Jan 2013 #82

I already said you can have a concealed gun if you're nude Fumesucker Jan 2013 #92

Atmosphere rrneck Jan 2013 #105

Have you thought about hiring yourself out as a projector? Fumesucker Jan 2013 #106

Well lets have an oldie but goodie gungeon format rrneck Jan 2013 #107

There is legislation on how people look in nearly every community in the US Fumesucker Jan 2013 #109

Are laws against nudity justified? rrneck Jan 2013 #110

Just the facts ma'am. Fumesucker Jan 2013 #111

But that's not what I asked you. rrneck Jan 2013 #140

What right do you have theKed Jan 2013 #80

Personal privacy. rrneck Jan 2013 #81

Safety theKed Jan 2013 #85

Your desire for gun privacy is weaker than my need for safety. rrneck Jan 2013 #86

Your two sentences about trust are the words I have been trying to put together to explain AlinPA Jan 2013 #94

Heh heh. ancianita Jan 2013 #7

But it works so well in Hollywood westerns. Kablooie Jan 2013 #10

Totally with you. But those towns are supplied with guns mostly from us. Our weapons industry. ancianita Jan 2013 #13

A nit-pick. Concealed carry is compatible with "guns make society more polite" cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #14

I don't endorse it. My gun owning friends have said it, so I use their rationalizations here... ancianita Jan 2013 #17

There you go. Good argument against mandatory open carry. Which seems macho and stupid. Matariki Jan 2013 #53

Agree 1000%. FLyellowdog Jan 2013 #19

If we want our 2nd Amendment, we gotta act like grownups about carrying guns. ancianita Jan 2013 #20

Oh dear lord..... Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #22

Probably not if it's from Gizmodo. nt ancianita Jan 2013 #31

I Go Back to Young Men and Video Games redstatebluegirl Jan 2013 #132

Yep. You're right. "Cool" doesn't scare anyone or promise to be one click away from civil war. ancianita Jan 2013 #134

I have dealt with young people for over 30 years redstatebluegirl Jan 2013 #135

Fair enough. I've seen video games relax and decompress kids with violent, angry lives. Two of ancianita Jan 2013 #136

I don't see a need where private citizens need to carry guns in public, period. Open or concealed. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #21

We do not live in a socialist country. This is the United States of America. xXxDSMer Jan 2013 #142

I was about to call you on all the textbook NRA talking points, but it appears you've been PPR'ed. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #144

Laws about carrying are important but we need to remember what they're for Recursion Jan 2013 #25

I agree OC is the more progressive form of carry. ileus Jan 2013 #28

you're a lunatic. mysuzuki2 Jan 2013 #32

Open fucking cary? Concealed carry rustydog Jan 2013 #34

Who the hell is saying that everyone has to carry a handgun? No. One. Here. Ever. ancianita Jan 2013 #35

I'm much more comfortable with the idea of open carry Aerows Jan 2013 #36

Beyond the privacy boundary of food and self defense, publics have a compelling safety interest in ancianita Jan 2013 #37

I think your neighbor is correct. Too much Wild West in your proposal. Won't end well. Matariki Jan 2013 #51

It may seem unhealthy. It certainly doesn't end well for schools and children, does it. ancianita Jan 2013 #57

I don't think the guy who went into Sandy Hook Elementary was hiding his guns Matariki Jan 2013 #112

I'm not making a premise or an argument. I'm making a proposal with benefits to non-gun owners. ancianita Jan 2013 #113

Carry through with your imagined scenario Matariki Jan 2013 #114

Are you kidding? The guy would've been down and more would still be alive. ancianita Jan 2013 #118

Guy had on a LOT of protective gear Matariki Jan 2013 #119

Right. A real representative example of hard-to-stop crazy. But there's always the head. ancianita Jan 2013 #122

I'm not "intent on", I AM calling it stupid. Matariki Jan 2013 #115

The Pinkertons. ancianita Jan 2013 #117

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #143

IF you as an American citizen are to be allowed to carry in public, HockeyMom Jan 2013 #54

My ongoing, lifelong sentiment exactly! nt ancianita Jan 2013 #59

guns can be shot at somone from a distance samsingh Jan 2013 #60

Oh noes! That just crushes my probability argument, doesn't it! Because you use some ancianita Jan 2013 #61

everyone carrying a gun to satisfy some gun lover's fantasy is pretty silly and scary samsingh Jan 2013 #62

I don't know who you mean.Who here are the "gun lovers." Certainly not me. I'm not even a gun owner. ancianita Jan 2013 #63

okay you win samsingh Jan 2013 #67

I don't have a problem with it. Buns_of_Fire Jan 2013 #64

How incredibly, positive, and absolutely Zoeisright Jan 2013 #65

You can skip the "fucking" part. I want to hear more about the "stupid" part, please. ancianita Jan 2013 #66

Here's the problem I see. Straw Man Jan 2013 #69

So turning to those openly carrying would be useless? Of course concealers always get the jump ancianita Jan 2013 #70

You mean asking the open carriers to save your ass? Straw Man Jan 2013 #71

Not at all. I've not said that gun ownership is to be avoided. I see the need for gun ownership. ancianita Jan 2013 #72

Maybe I misinterpreted this ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #73

Fair enough. My reference to children is an oblique reference to Newtown. I'm interested in adults ancianita Jan 2013 #74

Not sure if concealment ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #75

My first impulse is to say that OC is a humbler display. And fairer by being honest. No one ever ancianita Jan 2013 #87

Sooooo.... xoom Jan 2013 #76

When I see how much CC's put a stop to criminals, then I'll accept your claim. So far I haven't. ancianita Jan 2013 #77

You want valid, reliable proofs to prove your hypothical oppinion wrong? Your Op is what you "think" xoom Jan 2013 #78

What open carry will do is allow me to determine how far I keep myself from armed people Fumesucker Jan 2013 #84

YES!! Why is that? Because legal and political bias establish that frame. ancianita Jan 2013 #88

The victims of most crimes are themselves criminals, so they would be concealed-carrying too Recursion Jan 2013 #79

Yes. ancianita Jan 2013 #83

Anyone openly carrying a handgun in the streets is a threat to society. jpak Jan 2013 #89

If you want to frame it that way, I'll claim that concealed carry is also a threat to society. I ancianita Jan 2013 #90

Give me Stand-Your-Ground and Castle Laws so I can shoot them legally jpak Jan 2013 #93

If' it's mandatory open carry, what are you going to shoot the open carry assholes with? Fumesucker Jan 2013 #96

An AR15 with a 100 round clip backed up with a GLock with a 30 round clip jpak Jan 2013 #99

Practice makes perfect no doubt n/t Fumesucker Jan 2013 #101

Who needs practice pulling a trigger until the ammo runs out? jpak Jan 2013 #103

... Fumesucker Jan 2013 #104

Fine. Have it your way. ancianita Jan 2013 #97

Fire at will then. jpak Jan 2013 #100

Everyone should just wear a suicide vest - problem solved! grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #108

I get the gist of what you are ... 99Forever Jan 2013 #116

Thanks! I appreciate the possibility of fruitcakes in all kinds of places. ancianita Jan 2013 #120

Let's just all get the word "idiot" tattooed on our foreheads. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #121

I'M NOT SAYING MORE! I'm saying that those who wear them out in public should let the public know. ancianita Jan 2013 #123

I live in a state where you're not supposed to "carry" in public either way. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #124

Heh heh. Ya got me. I live in a state that allows both, and the mix is not comfortable ancianita Jan 2013 #125

Great way to figure out who is unarmed and vulnerable. dorkulon Jan 2013 #126

Isn't that what criminals do already? ancianita Jan 2013 #129

Don't read so much into it. dorkulon Jan 2013 #137

Agreed. And handgun manufacturers. ancianita Jan 2013 #138

Yeah, that's what I meant. dorkulon Jan 2013 #139

Sounds like the Wild West Politicub Jan 2013 #131

Fine. I've only been trying to decompress public space and thought the idea might help. ancianita Jan 2013 #133