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randome

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79. No one is saying "It's violent media."
Fri Jan 11, 2013, 12:53 PM
Jan 2013

"It's" meaning "It is". No one is saying violent media is a cause of mass murder. But it's among the top 10 or so possibilities that people suspect have an influence.

What's wrong with some self-examination? Do you think the government is going to take away our games? I don't think so.

Even if they outlawed all future violent video games, are you suggesting that some would miss having a steady influx of new violent gaming? How can someone 'miss' that? It sounds kind of disturbing to me.

We can't determine what solutions are appropriate unless we look at a range of possiblities. And how they interact with OTHER possibilities.

Intergalactic radioactive walruses are not very likely as one of those possibilities. Although it sounds like a cool pet to have.

As Michael Moore pointed out, Americans are more fearful and hateful. That's a big difference between us and other countries.

Your username caused me to poke somebody in the eye. LeftyMom Jan 2013 #1
awok awok awok! Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #2
I get it. JohnnyRingo Jan 2013 #29
Do they contribute to the carnage in Japan? Fumesucker Jan 2013 #3
Or Canada? (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #11
maybe they play different video games and watch different movies than us JI7 Jan 2013 #15
They don't. jeff47 Jan 2013 #19
Hell if anything, in Japan those movies are more violent. geomon666 Jan 2013 #40
Battle Royale comes to mind frylock Jan 2013 #135
Or Holland? Germany? The UK? Belgium? France? BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #54
The suicide rate in Japan is very high. Social conformity is expected>violence turned inwards KittyWampus Jan 2013 #70
Good response. Thread was ended quickly. LittleBlue Jan 2013 #132
that same media is available in other countries too 0rganism Jan 2013 #4
Yes Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #8
Your theory would require other countries to be similarly affected jeff47 Jan 2013 #20
Actually, there is violent crime Europe. In fact, it's quite high. I was just looking at statistics. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #87
Well then.. 99Forever Jan 2013 #39
so then the question becomes "Why is *this* country so damned different?" 0rganism Jan 2013 #130
Are violent movies, TV, and video games a cause or effect? Downwinder Jan 2013 #5
Violence is not an invention of film makers, video game makers, or comic book writers... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #6
I don't know, but crushing someone's head in a vice is HILARIOUS. nyquil_man Jan 2013 #7
A simple request before bedtime Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #9
Well if you want people to take you seriously Confusious Jan 2013 #10
I don't think so, no Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #12
Let's say, "Yes, violent movies, TV, and video games contribute to carnage in this country." justiceischeap Jan 2013 #13
we can then blame the mentally ill, and after that JI7 Jan 2013 #16
How many kids died in China because of that knife attack? justiceischeap Jan 2013 #24
even MORE frustrating is that apparently violent crime is acceptable if it doesn't involve guns. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #85
Not acceptable, just less fatal. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2013 #123
Considering that some European countries & Canada do have fairly high gun ownership rates KittyWampus Jan 2013 #93
I don't think, unless we lobotomize people, we are going to do away with violent crime justiceischeap Jan 2013 #136
You sound JUST like the Glenn Beck show! RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #14
You mean to tell me... loose wheel Jan 2013 #17
another angle Locrian Jan 2013 #18
No obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #21
Personally, yes Recursion Jan 2013 #22
Here is a sub-argument in defense of what you have said 1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #23
Because only people in the US are hermits? jeff47 Jan 2013 #26
I don't know, but it might be. I am also think of that fellow who killed many last summer 1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #45
No, we're not home to bloody media jeff47 Jan 2013 #53
Everything should be on the table. Otherwise, we are not serious about change. randome Jan 2013 #55
Then I want intergalactic radioactive walruses on the table. jeff47 Jan 2013 #76
No one is saying "It's violent media." randome Jan 2013 #79
Good thinking 1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #99
Hell, even the Internet may have an influence. randome Jan 2013 #101
What drives suicidal mass shooters > researcher links suicide bombers/mass shooters. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #109
Do you realize this same argument was used against your generation? jeff47 Jan 2013 #127
Actually, you are jeff47 Jan 2013 #121
'Influence'. Not 'cause'. randome Jan 2013 #125
Actually, there's plenty of science that can do so jeff47 Jan 2013 #128
Michael Moore said the difference stems from Americans being more fearful. randome Jan 2013 #133
And I say it's from those walruses jeff47 Jan 2013 #139
I think Institutional Violence in the USA might be a factor too. Poverty for instance. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #105
You need to be specific in saying "gun violence" because Europe also has violent crimes like rape. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #104
Unless you're actually trying to argue about violent media jeff47 Jan 2013 #124
Mass shootings do happen in other countries. Proliferation of guns in the US points to need for gun KittyWampus Jan 2013 #103
Except in other countries they are exceptionally rare. jeff47 Jan 2013 #122
yes there is a personality type marions ghost Jan 2013 #69
Today people blame video games jeff47 Jan 2013 #25
We didn't have widely available torture porn in previous decades. randome Jan 2013 #33
And that argument has been used for decades. jeff47 Jan 2013 #48
Yeah, about that, might wanna look into the stuff that inspired the Comics Code. Posteritatis Jan 2013 #142
I blame a lot of it on the Scary Movie series... snooper2 Jan 2013 #27
I think they contribute so little it might as well be nothing NeedleCast Jan 2013 #28
pretty much Johonny Jan 2013 #35
I think that what video games provide is an aggression displacement outlet. At worst they condition ancianita Jan 2013 #30
Movies are made to watch. Guns are made to kill. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #31
Garbage in, garbage out... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #32
Complete lack of parenting does more damage, maybe irreperable damage Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #34
In fact, one of the reasons our movie industry is such low quality is pandering to overseas markets. Romulox Jan 2013 #36
Um to answer your question, No, but kydo Jan 2013 #37
If hate radio can influence us, then so can violent movies and videogames. randome Jan 2013 #38
no kydo Jan 2013 #41
Gaming is a way of life for many. That should be cause for concern right there. randome Jan 2013 #42
I'm not saying kydo Jan 2013 #46
Yeah, hate radio should be on the table as well. randome Jan 2013 #49
These things exist because there is a clear market for them. mn9driver Jan 2013 #43
Indeed LiberalEsque01 Jan 2013 #44
There is more violence in the Bible than a Tarantino movie jberryhill Jan 2013 #47
Not just MORE but also worse. Shadowflash Jan 2013 #80
They are a SYMPTOM of the problem, not a cause n/t RomneyLies Jan 2013 #50
I don't think anyone is saying they are a cause. randome Jan 2013 #52
I got that the OP was saying they were a cause. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #56
As serious as we should be about self-examination on this topic... randome Jan 2013 #59
Oh really? a neighbor's dog WAS an influence in mass murder RomneyLies Jan 2013 #62
The prevalence of opinion does not implicate dogs, however. randome Jan 2013 #66
Fallacy Ad Populum RomneyLies Jan 2013 #74
I don't agree. We need starting points. randome Jan 2013 #75
They're a symptom not a cause nt Report1212 Jan 2013 #51
I think they are most definitely a piece of the puzzle. Voice for Peace Jan 2013 #57
I think a very very tiny MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #58
I think internet bulletin boards and Fox News contribute more to the violence problem that gamess Sheepshank Jan 2013 #60
Then that should be on the table, as well. randome Jan 2013 #61
seems like there are politicians that like to provoke anger, paranoia and revenge Sheepshank Jan 2013 #63
They're selling crap that too many are buying into. randome Jan 2013 #67
Yes, I don't think they contribute a thing to carnage in this country WilmywoodNCparalegal Jan 2013 #64
Then how do other nations deal with this crisis of yours? Rex Jan 2013 #65
They are not as fearful nor as hateful as Americans. randome Jan 2013 #71
I'm going with neuro toxins and neuro chemical imbalance. L0oniX Jan 2013 #68
I don't have to "think." The statistics do it for me. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #72
Yet DU'ers will constantly blame FOX News & Rush Limbaugh. HYPOCRITES. Either Media does have KittyWampus Jan 2013 #73
There is no hypocrisy. Most who listen to FOX aren't listening in the same context berni_mccoy Jan 2013 #77
Yes of course there is hypocrisy. Either it influences someone or it doesn't. Your need to try and KittyWampus Jan 2013 #81
You need to rationalize why you can't understand Zoeisright Jan 2013 #91
I picked my lane that is backed with science. That Media does influence our behavior, attitudes. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #100
All the science done on the effect of video games nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #110
Actually the science indicates that violent Media does effect us. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #116
I will pick a lane nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #118
there is quite a bit of noteworthy science that violent gaming impacts KittyWampus Jan 2013 #120
And all the reviews I have read is the science specifically nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #126
Your own bias is showing when you say anyone wants to 'ban' video games. randome Jan 2013 #129
Also, Fox and Rush tend to actually call for action Posteritatis Jan 2013 #143
False equivocate much? 99Forever Jan 2013 #78
The subject is Media and whether it influences behavior, is it not? Pick a lane. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #82
Nope, Delicate Flower... 99Forever Jan 2013 #131
I agree KittyWampus Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #84
They're fucking inciting violence. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #90
DU'ers blamed the tv show "24" for many believing torture works. As example #2. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #95
so why doesn't the rest of the world which also sees the same movies and video games Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #83
Well you see there are those that don't play violent video games, or watch violent films Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #86
As Michael Moore pointed out, Americans are more fearful and hateful. randome Jan 2013 #89
any analysis to back that up? Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #92
No proof. I also don't have proof that climate change is caused by Man. randome Jan 2013 #98
actually there are plenty of studies Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #112
generally speaking science is a better tool Fresh_Start Jan 2013 #114
Sure. randome Jan 2013 #119
DING DING DING! And he also used MEDIA examples of how we are conditioned. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #97
he has also pointed out that every shooting has involved SSRI's green for victory Jan 2013 #137
I sincerely hope that is on the table for Biden's task force, as well. randome Jan 2013 #140
There was MORE violence in the world BEFORE mass media Zoeisright Jan 2013 #88
I think anything violent can set off an unbalanced mind Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #94
Well.......how about a gown man...a hunter...a member of the NRA Tippy Jan 2013 #96
That train's never late! JoeyT Jan 2013 #102
Maybe it contributes to the mentality of how many in this country thinks... cynatnite Jan 2013 #106
no problem for most people, but the 2% that are sociopaths on psychoactive drugs with a bad reaction Follow The Money Jan 2013 #107
You are wrong. Motown_Johnny Jan 2013 #108
Yes, and a major part of my reason is a bit of history I read about WWI Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #111
I don't think the problem is the violent content... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #113
I suspect more use it as an outlet than as an instruction manual. A Simple Game Jan 2013 #115
I agree, but they are a symptom, not a root cause. Families are under assault from within and from patrice Jan 2013 #117
As has been pointed out, billh58 Jan 2013 #134
Cause and effect aren't perfectly polarised here. sibelian Jan 2013 #138
They can be PART of the problem, but only part. CBHagman Jan 2013 #141
Yes. nt XRubicon Jan 2013 #144
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