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In reply to the discussion: We have a "right" to own guns, but not a right to health care, food, shelter, clothing, employment [View all]patrice
(47,992 posts)71. Tell us, where is the Federal Reserve in all of that Constitutional perfection?
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We have a "right" to own guns, but not a right to health care, food, shelter, clothing, employment [View all]
Hugabear
Jan 2013
OP
This means that RKBA is actually a privilege to extort others politically through threats to kill
patrice
Jan 2013
#2
Where does his post err? Have not government services (and taxes) steadily grown since
Flatulo
Jan 2013
#99
The OP specifically speaks to the apparent inhumanity of food and shelter not being
Flatulo
Jan 2013
#137
Jefferson wanted to see idle land and the estates of the wealthy aristrocrats broken up and
JDPriestly
Jan 2013
#142
People often ask me how I keep busy in retirement, and the truth is I often run out of time
Flatulo
Jan 2013
#147
The Constitution simply does not provide for all kinds of government action that
amandabeech
Jan 2013
#39
Well it's too bad then when the Dems had the Executive Branch and the Congress
Cherchez la Femme
Jan 2013
#133
You make the mistake of thinking that everyone wants to take your stuff. Most people just want
patrice
Jan 2013
#22
Huh, what? Take what away? The easy ability to Kill others because they are pissed about something?
RC
Jan 2013
#36
To Poster #3...Sociologically, this is factual. The rural, extended families of the 19th Century
libdem4life
Jan 2013
#85
I am guessing you've never had a history lesson. But they why should you? nm
rhett o rick
Jan 2013
#98
There has been a transition from "Don't look to government to solve things" to,...
Spitfire of ATJ
Jan 2013
#129
The clause covers such a broad array of interests even the Supreme Court cannot be "specific."
SunSeeker
Jan 2013
#114
Thanks for the detailed response. I'm shamefully uneducated on the Constitution. nt
Flatulo
Jan 2013
#115
To have the courts rule as many here on DU would like would take a constitutional amendment.
amandabeech
Jan 2013
#46
You mistate the right, it's "That all men are born equally free and independent, and have certain
jody
Jan 2013
#10
That's a good observation, and I would add that our constitution guarantees the former
Flatulo
Jan 2013
#148
Didn't FDR attempt to pass a second bill of rights with a lot of those other items in it? nt
Mojorabbit
Jan 2013
#15
Whose main proponent, FDR'S VP Henry Wallace, got passed over in the rush into the Cold War &
patrice
Jan 2013
#25
Democrats need to ADMIT this nearly fatal mistake; it really did HELP bring us here.
patrice
Jan 2013
#42
I like!!! this, because it's not piece-meal, which has disempowered so much in the past, by making
patrice
Jan 2013
#60
Globalization and Chinese slave labor seem to have put the kibosh on articles 1 and 2. nt
Flatulo
Jan 2013
#149
Funny how guns are enshrined, but responsibility to take care of its own citizens is not
Hugabear
Jan 2013
#20
Our society and the world is far more complicated than it was back then. So you can't blame them.
davidn3600
Jan 2013
#31
Plus, people had the good sense to die in their forties, LOL. The framers could not have
Flatulo
Jan 2013
#150
Our constitution guarantees you the right and the opportunity to pursue those things, but
Flatulo
Jan 2013
#90
But then, at least according to some lights, they stacked Congress against us, by jimmying represent
patrice
Jan 2013
#35
I don't know what the formal definition is, but I meant arms that can be carried by a
Flatulo
Jan 2013
#106
Most of those weapons are illegal to own in this country - or at least tightly regulated
Hugabear
Jan 2013
#107
The more that one looks at the faulty logic of gun-ownership, the more convinced one becomes that
patrice
Jan 2013
#30
I think for many it's an act of defiance, a statement that one is an American and cannot
Flatulo
Jan 2013
#101
For some of us that act of defiance is in demonstrating in the streets abouthe issues & candidates.
patrice
Jan 2013
#104
Clearly you're not the average person. Most Americans are apathetic to the point of complete
Flatulo
Jan 2013
#110
Being a young adult in the late '60s & then having kids in the '70s made me sensitive to nuclear
patrice
Jan 2013
#111
Good on you, then. Most of the females in my life are also troublemakers and they keep me
Flatulo
Jan 2013
#113
Gun ownership has effects upon people who CHOOSE not to own guns. One of those effects is
patrice
Jan 2013
#50
You have a "right" to the gun established by a faulty Constitution. If it weren't in there, you
patrice
Jan 2013
#62
Written by white propertied males FOR white propertied males. Certainly you know the history of
patrice
Jan 2013
#70
Tell us, where is the Federal Reserve in all of that Constitutional perfection?
patrice
Jan 2013
#71
I'm not as attached to labels as some. People should remember that words, including those in
patrice
Jan 2013
#80
I still use labels as social orienting points, but all is in process & always has been, so what we
patrice
Jan 2013
#127
Americans make lots of bad choices that adversely affect their fellow citizens.
Flatulo
Jan 2013
#117
I believe in universal health care, but your comparison is apples and oranges.
crazyjoe
Jan 2013
#48
Maybe YOU can't imagine such a thing, but what people want is JOBS, good jobs that respect workers &
patrice
Jan 2013
#55
Poor comparison. I have the "right" to buy a gun, food, shelter, health care, clothing.
uppityperson
Jan 2013
#58
Agreed. So we should change the definition of "BUY" because money is a cruel PRIVATE joke anyway. nt
patrice
Jan 2013
#65
I believe in the 2nd Bill of Rights outlined by FDR and the right to keep and bear arms
TheKentuckian
Jan 2013
#67
Americans' rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are subordinated to others' rights
indepat
Jan 2013
#83
The answer to your question is really pretty simple, maybe not what you want, but simple enough.
1-Old-Man
Jan 2013
#119