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Ikonoklast

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10. Dad told me no one that ever had to wipe the brains of his fellow Marine off his face would ever
Thu Jan 10, 2013, 06:36 PM
Jan 2013

want to 'play' at War, let alone ever be in one ever again.

K&R Sherman A1 Jan 2013 #1
Hear Hear, Sir The Magistrate Jan 2013 #2
Recommended NNN0LHI Jan 2013 #28
+ 1000 loyalsister Jan 2013 #68
Recommended, and thank you. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #3
BIG K&R Ernesto Jan 2013 #4
Bill Mauldin said it best: hedgehog Jan 2013 #5
As a history buff and nephew of 2 wwII vets, I loved Bill Mauldin's books. It made me libinnyandia Jan 2013 #70
I don't follow you. As the daughter of a WWII vet and a niece of others, maddiemom Jan 2013 #87
Bill Mauldin wrote about WWII weren't always treated well when they returned home. libinnyandia Jan 2013 #89
Watch the movie "The Best Years of Our Lives" sweetloukillbot Jan 2013 #94
I didn't see it that way Squaredeal Jan 2013 #151
The movie did eventually have a happy ending... sweetloukillbot Jan 2013 #176
When I got back into college after VN in 1969, I got $130/month on the GI Bill-- Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #102
My Dad's favorite "Willie and Joe" Mopar151 Jan 2013 #93
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2013 #137
"Sort of like the Super Bowl" really nails it. Speck Tater Jan 2013 #6
Same way during Gulf War I Fumesucker Jan 2013 #8
Ditto OIF 2003-2004 pasto76 Jan 2013 #58
I had the same experience many times. upaloopa Jan 2013 #12
I've often wondered about sports fandom and war cheering and whether they're related. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #38
Very well said. pangaia Jan 2013 #74
ok, so here's a strange thing DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #77
Probably has to do with the pace of the game. n/t SwankyXomb Jan 2013 #120
I agree again. pangaia Jan 2013 #192
Mr. Carlin Agrees, Sir.... The Magistrate Jan 2013 #130
yes, that one is a classic. pangaia Jan 2013 #173
Hey... druidity33 Jan 2013 #92
Ask you dad The Wizard Jan 2013 #99
wonderful satire, billy lynn's long halftime walk msedano Jan 2013 #172
K&R Waiting For Everyman Jan 2013 #7
I never bought a weapon and don't plan on ever owning one but... LiberalLoner Jan 2013 #9
Well I think you are nuts then. Comfortable with? upaloopa Jan 2013 #14
I agree, that's why I don't own one. But it's the only weapon LiberalLoner Jan 2013 #32
Pretty damned harsh, dontcha think??? southshore Jan 2013 #168
Did you ever walk point on a patrol? Bandit Jan 2013 #47
I had both a sawed off Winchester model 12 and a M-79. upaloopa Jan 2013 #56
Different time, different war, and a different way of doing things Victor_c3 Jan 2013 #149
Things have definitely gotten better for our troops. Bandit Jan 2013 #177
don't take this the wrong way, but I'm not envious at all Victor_c3 Jan 2013 #178
Dad told me no one that ever had to wipe the brains of his fellow Marine off his face would ever Ikonoklast Jan 2013 #10
My dad was a helicopter mechanic and door gunner in Vietnam. Turned down some lucrative Erose999 Jan 2013 #159
Absoutely. ellisonz Jan 2013 #11
The comforting news is that they (assault-type rifles) account for a tiny fraction of gun-homicide. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #13
Is all you can do is post stats? Isn't 20 kids dead in upaloopa Jan 2013 #17
Posting stats and facts... as opposed to Logical fallacies? OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #23
Your about a week behind the times. Society is upaloopa Jan 2013 #26
Don't count on it. LAGC Jan 2013 #152
Passing by too fast.. southshore Jan 2013 #169
first of all the fact those things exist BainsBane Jan 2013 #95
I think you've replied to the wrong subthread. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #104
so then you're advocating for prohibiting hand guns? BainsBane Jan 2013 #115
That would appear to be the logical solutions to taking a real bite out of homicides. nt OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #119
you'll get no argument from me BainsBane Jan 2013 #131
We do have a sick culture BobbyBoring Jan 2013 #186
"1 death is a tragedy. One millions deaths is simply a statistic." LanternWaste Jan 2013 #100
And we live in a nation where laws govern hundres of millions of people. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #108
Then banning them will not be a problem.... jpak Jan 2013 #18
And nor will it solve anything. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #25
Yes it will - gun massacre nuts will not be able to use them jpak Jan 2013 #31
Most "gun massacre nuts" are already not using them. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #42
well ban them, take the off the streets and they'll be using them even less win win uponit7771 Jan 2013 #139
How does banning something seldom used accomplish anything?? HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #143
And then you'll have spent all your political capital sir pball Jan 2013 #181
Oh no! If we try to keep people from dying, Dems will lose!!!! AllyCat Jan 2013 #183
Well you again have to attack my timing of events upaloopa Jan 2013 #19
Correct, your chronological awareness doesn't "fucking detract from what you said". OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #29
Listen, Americans are tired of the killing upaloopa Jan 2013 #35
If they're tired of killings, why not support laws that can ACTUALLY put a dent in them? OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #51
It doesn't matter how few or how many. This year they were upaloopa Jan 2013 #55
I'll address it, 1/10-O'-1, BlueNoteSpecial Jan 2013 #43
Protip: It's easier just to type "0.1%" nt OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #59
@ BlueNoteSpecial Jan 2013 #158
3.7% of all rifles vs. 1 in 4 assault rifles = massively disproportionate representation. ellisonz Jan 2013 #48
Not how I remember things Bandit Jan 2013 #50
Armalite developed the AR10 in '57 OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #69
Bravo - that is why they are known as "gun nuts". jpak Jan 2013 #15
Then banning them is pointless. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #24
Banning them will take them away from gun nut massacre types jpak Jan 2013 #33
Perhaps. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #75
Sounds like a plan! Nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #81
It should be a felony to own them jpak Jan 2013 #107
*shrug* Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #112
keeping them is also pointless.. frylock Jan 2013 #61
True...which then makes the question one of approach. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #78
"That it might cause harm...." thucythucy Jan 2013 #90
Sure...but there's the matter of proportion. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #111
Seems to me, with the proposals I've seen thucythucy Jan 2013 #133
If they were banned long ago sellitman Jan 2013 #145
zzzzzzzzzzzzzz Skittles Jan 2013 #63
Bravo, Skittles! Bravo! LanternWaste Jan 2013 #73
For someone "not listening," you seem oddly driven to respond. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #79
LOLOL Skittles Jan 2013 #191
Nice strawman. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #193
trotting out the STRAWMAN Skittles Jan 2013 #194
If you don't like your comedy-tier errors pointed out... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #195
K &R Squinch Jan 2013 #16
Truely great OP. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #20
Yessir. 99Forever Jan 2013 #21
Did you get " The Theory of the Bayonet"? pscot Jan 2013 #22
Yeah, I had to stab some target and yell something. upaloopa Jan 2013 #34
What is the spirit of the bayonet? The Wizard Jan 2013 #105
Spirit? That sounds really New Age pscot Jan 2013 #125
New Age? The Wizard Jan 2013 #135
That also was the spirit of the hand to hand fighter. We had to yell kill kill kill also. upaloopa Jan 2013 #126
+1,000 freshwest Jan 2013 #27
Preach It!!! nt MrScorpio Jan 2013 #30
i agree with you about the... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #36
I feel the same way! mailman82 Jan 2013 #37
People don't have a problem with hunting type guns upaloopa Jan 2013 #45
Semi-automatics with detachable magazines is "most guns" Recursion Jan 2013 #62
K&R, one gazillion times! ReRe Jan 2013 #39
K&R. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #40
It's sort of like the mentality of people janx Jan 2013 #41
I too was trained on the M-14 and M-16 in 1966 doc03 Jan 2013 #44
Welcome home alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #46
NRA talking drones in 3...2....1..... GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #49
Infantry combat vet here. tabasco Jan 2013 #52
What you said... only more so. Semper Fi. nt Bigmack Jan 2013 #53
War is glorified in our society Major Nikon Jan 2013 #54
War is never fun. In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #57
I doubt I would ever buy a rifle, but if I did it would probably be an AR Recursion Jan 2013 #60
I've been screaming the same thing for years ! jaysunb Jan 2013 #64
Since 9/11, we've trained another 5 million people on the M-16 or equivalent FarCenter Jan 2013 #65
war games mozan Jan 2013 #66
K&R, but paintball is kinda fun. dorkulon Jan 2013 #67
I dunno...The one time I went, almost half in the group were kids Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #174
I agree 100%. I'm a Gulf War vet, although I have no doubt my experiences were as nothing compared Aristus Jan 2013 #71
After 6 months in Vietnam I turned against the upaloopa Jan 2013 #85
"Nothing creates a pacifist quite as effectively as war... " nikto Jan 2013 #147
Thank you for your service and this post. erinlough Jan 2013 #179
... TahitiNut Jan 2013 #72
Thank you tavalon Jan 2013 #76
You bring up a good point. LittleGirl Jan 2013 #80
Thank you ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #82
The M-14 itself is a powerful weapon. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #83
An M-14 standard round The Wizard Jan 2013 #109
"the M-14 ... fires 7.62mm cartridges, the same as the AK-47 ..." AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #117
combat training was designed to make us want to run toward the muzzle flash... msedano Jan 2013 #84
We had to crawl under machine gun fire in basic upaloopa Jan 2013 #88
Loved 4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #86
It's going to take more than a band of old fat asses with cool rifles for the "revolution" BeyondGeography Jan 2013 #153
Aww man, and I just maxed out my credit card at Guns-N-Ammo.com too Erose999 Jan 2013 #162
Thanks...talk about central casting BeyondGeography Jan 2013 #167
You Missed 4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #165
So the American citizens, as presently armed, constitute a real threat to the military? BeyondGeography Jan 2013 #170
We are now 4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #180
Same here madokie Jan 2013 #91
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #96
It was 1966 that our Army switched over from the M14 to the M16 1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #98
They jammed a lot especially if you get into any moisture or dirt. upaloopa Jan 2013 #123
The one they issued to me had a machining error, the bullets would not load 1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #155
Hey that machining error nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #187
I think you are saying I killed innocent people. Maybe I did, I'm not sure. My draft notice upaloopa Jan 2013 #124
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #136
Whoa, he was drafted. What reason did he have to doubt his government was lying to him? Selatius Jan 2013 #138
Post removed because I accidentally hit post before I completed my post Taitertots Jan 2013 #140
I never defended involvement in Viet Nam. My family suffered that war personally. nt Selatius Jan 2013 #141
My previous post was edited... Taitertots Jan 2013 #142
K&R CrazyOrangeCat Jan 2013 #97
What about making "tactical weapons" an elite class, with a license/registration/security deal? Mopar151 Jan 2013 #101
In 1966" leanforward Jan 2013 #103
Did WWI vets think the same about bolt action rifles? hack89 Jan 2013 #106
That's clearly not the point. This is 2013. Last year there were several mass shootings where the upaloopa Jan 2013 #121
And the fixation on rifles obscures a much bigger point hack89 Jan 2013 #134
I'm willing to bet that the AWB will be renewed this year and soon. The NRA the right the gun lobby upaloopa Jan 2013 #164
What if the next mass shooting is a repeat of Va Tech? hack89 Jan 2013 #175
Re: The OP SCVDem Jan 2013 #110
Wow! Powerful stuff! Bay Boy Jan 2013 #171
Perfect. Thank you! MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #113
That's why I stick with civilian sporting rifles like my AR's ileus Jan 2013 #114
K&R. We're In An Era Where A Lot Of Firearms Aren't Designed For Grown-ups. (nt) Paladin Jan 2013 #116
Thank you for this... peace13 Jan 2013 #118
Yeah, because civilians shouldn't enjoy the benefits of incremental improvements in gun technology! krispos42 Jan 2013 #122
I feel your pain. Poor thing. Hugs. Hoyt Jan 2013 #127
I know, I have such unreasonable expectations. krispos42 Jan 2013 #128
6 yr old citizens should have the right to grow up not be murdered in school. If that means you upaloopa Jan 2013 #129
Go shovel your false equivalency someplace else. krispos42 Jan 2013 #132
But privacy is actually important. DanTex Jan 2013 #157
With all due respect, you're not the king of DU. The OP is as welcome as you to share his views Heidi Jan 2013 #160
And I'm sharing my opinion of where his false-equivalency arguments should be krispos42 Jan 2013 #190
I wouldn't mind an M1A because it fits me well riqster Jan 2013 #144
Cowboys and Indians. It's all pretend horror just like in books and movies. Kablooie Jan 2013 #146
Very well put judesedit Jan 2013 #148
"In war they fucking shoot back!" It is all captured there, isn't it? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #150
And that, in a nutshell, is why the use of drones is murder, not an act of war. 1-Old-Man Jan 2013 #156
Well, okay. Is that relevant? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #163
The Anerican public thinks of war like a football game. Dash87 Jan 2013 #154
I agree 100%. We should be preaching to our children that there is nothing sinkingfeeling Jan 2013 #161
War is the greatest sin mankind commits randr Jan 2013 #166
I get the appeal of playing army when you are 11. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #182
I was trained ip5683 Jan 2013 #184
We're not talking about kids playing war. upaloopa Jan 2013 #185
I've not been to war- digonswine Jan 2013 #188
All class upaloopa toby jo Jan 2013 #189
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