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2. "A gun control discussion that does not start with handguns is mere theater."

Reply to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 03:56 PM

Jan 2013

That needs to be shouted from the rooftops.

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If it's about guns, cool. If it's about people, count me out. [View all] cthulu2016 Jan 2013 OP

kick samsingh Jan 2013 #1

"A gun control discussion that does not start with handguns is mere theater." Recursion Jan 2013 #2

It also needs to be done without insults obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #3

I do not defend taunting by gungeoneers cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #7

Oh, I know! obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #25

False equivalency Bake Jan 2013 #60

I agree with you cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #64

I keep waiting for Skinner et al. to shut down some of this but so far ... nothing. Bake Jan 2013 #73

Yes. nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #30

Nice! Well said. A ray of sanity in the darkness. montanto Jan 2013 #4

"... there is great emphasis on gun enthusiasts and NRA members. " Scuba Jan 2013 #5

I believe only a small portion of gun owners belong to the nra. nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #32

That's correct. The emphasis is on them, not your average duck or deer hunter. Scuba Jan 2013 #37

4.3 million NRA members vs. 300 million guns cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #41

Sorry, but the culture is as much a part of it as the guns themselves. Yesterday I got called a Erose999 Jan 2013 #6

Your use of "delicate flower" proves the point cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #9

Maybe "taken down a peg" wasn't the right word. I don't care about "scoring points" because honestly Erose999 Jan 2013 #11

I agree that gun culture contributes greatly to American gun violence cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #20

Exactly cthulhu's point sarisataka Jan 2013 #12

Hear, hear. Daemonaquila Jan 2013 #48

I had a 30-06 deer rifle casually pointed at me some time after Thanksgiving Fumesucker Jan 2013 #8

I had a gun pointed at me by a family member who was also a convicted felon and had mental issues... Erose999 Jan 2013 #13

I think I've read your story before Fumesucker Jan 2013 #16

That same sherrifs office got into trouble shortly after that because guns that had been slated to Erose999 Jan 2013 #22

No doubt! Everyone holding a gun is a potential threat, redneck or yuppie cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #27

Beautifully said nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #34

Oh, you're right, military styled rifles are just a convenient scapegoat du jour. Fumesucker Jan 2013 #44

"prematurely anti-fascist" cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #52

My experience has been different. bvar22 Jan 2013 #38

Country music listening, skoal dipping, camo wearing, Baptist church going, Repub voting fireman Fumesucker Jan 2013 #40

I agree, completely, my fellow Minnesotan! Odin2005 Jan 2013 #70

The reason there is emphasis on NRA members is because they are the ones DanTex Jan 2013 #10

Well the Constitution is what's standing in the way davidn3600 Jan 2013 #14

people in rural areas are the ones that accidentally shoot their children and threaten to overthrow bettyellen Jan 2013 #18

First of all, it's not the constitution. DanTex Jan 2013 #24

Prove it. Put your money where your mouth is. Ashgrey77 Jan 2013 #29

My money? So are you going to be challenging me to a $10,000 bet? DanTex Jan 2013 #33

It is functionally in the constitution cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #43

But what policies does Heller stand in the way of? DanTex Jan 2013 #50

What's being discussed in Washington or on DU? cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #53

I don't see the problem with discussing a wide range of policies on the internet. DanTex Jan 2013 #58

Not really, but "sane" gun laws can't be discussed. krispos42 Jan 2013 #65

I haven't seen any discussion of microstamping at all in the wake of Sandy Hook. DanTex Jan 2013 #66

"If confronted with a person with a gun.... bunnies Jan 2013 #15

He didn't say "if a gun were pointed at me" Recursion Jan 2013 #17

"confronted" being the operative word... bunnies Jan 2013 #19

That's the way I took it too, a confrontation with an armed person is not a fun thing Fumesucker Jan 2013 #23

Your point is fair. I edited the OP in light of it. cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #28

Exactly what is it... 99Forever Jan 2013 #21

Well said, K&R Ashgrey77 Jan 2013 #26

But, this is about people. Kalidurga Jan 2013 #31

Some folks insist on hanging on those suicides because it inflates the number to something to go on TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #42

Well suicide by gun is gun violence. Kalidurga Jan 2013 #45

Beautifully said. Daemonaquila Jan 2013 #49

Nonetheless, some part of (not all) gun suicides ought to be included cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #55

That is on them, their life and their choice. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #61

Why is it that pro-gun advocacy forces people into making bizarre and callous claims DanTex Jan 2013 #69

Most of those folks are ATTENTION SEEKERS rather than being serious about suicide TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #75

Gun availability has a big impact on suicide. DanTex Jan 2013 #68

This athiest who owns guns hootinholler Jan 2013 #35

A claim of pride in ignorance is chilling in all cases. cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #39

There's heavy duty enthusiasm trolling happening on both sides I think. Fumesucker Jan 2013 #46

I have argued that often, but cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #47

Poe's law applies to DU damn near all the time I think Fumesucker Jan 2013 #51

Sounds eerily akin to how people of... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #36

In addition to registering, I think some sort of proficiency testing is a good idea REP Jan 2013 #54

Mandatory training, perhaps. Proficiency test, probably not. cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #56

Well, if you suck driving ... REP Jan 2013 #57

I don't think we were missing each other cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #62

I was thinking the weapon be held at the testing facility until the test is passed REP Jan 2013 #63

This sort of thing... hootinholler Jan 2013 #59

People don't count? GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #67

As Bvar said, this is more of an idiot suburbanite problem Odin2005 Jan 2013 #71

What is "more of an idiot suburbanite problem"? cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #74

A big rec. HappyMe Jan 2013 #72

I understand the sentiment. Unfortunately where I live, guns and right wing ideology go together Hoyt Jan 2013 #76