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freshwest

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46. I agree with this article. We have to reinforce the message that WeThePeople = Government.
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 09:11 PM
Jan 2013

Too many stand aside and rail at Democrats, call them corporate puppets and ignore local politics where this meme is pushed daily. It's pushed to the point the liberals and progressives are unable to advertise their product - which is government is for everyone, not a foe, not a burden, but OF ALL OF US.

I see at DU daily posts that say Democrats are part and parcel of a failed government, that we don't have control or voice, that unnamed or dramatically termed forces are running this, not us. The same voices that offer only grief and despair, along with a strong serving of disdain and spite, will never see anything that Obama and Dems do as enough. The GOP is powerful enough now without the sabotage.

We have a lot of people here, and in this nation, who want the system to collapse. For their idea of revolution and a return to nature, for some sort of community idea that they believe government is keeping them from achieving. Is it government, or is it the groups in society that they are afraidto deal with, then blame government?

The suspension of rules on the CT postings in the main forums is a good thing to make people who continously call Obama the sell-out, traitor to us all, call Democrats spineless, and both parties are the exact same, explain just what they want. Do they want a government of the people, when the only party that believes in it is the Democratic Party, not the outliers, the libertarians, etc. who want this government gone and out of their way?

Yes, we have big problems and they require either big government, or a magical changing of the hearts and minds of everyone. They've have to change to believe that every single person, including millions they don't even want to share the highways with, much their income or neighborhood, will happen.

Until that time, the Democratic Party and the government it is known for working within is our best bet. The other side are betting on us not voting and blowing it all off.

We have not had a chance in major media to make our case, and are not likely to have, any time soon. We have major programs that affect the lives of many, many millions of Americans, but the only things are said about them is people are getting screwed or they won't exist - just like conservatives have been saying since they began.

Govenment has become a dirty word, and that's reality. Part of that is the reality of the social contract. Many of us hate the MIC, but it's part of it. Those who adore and get money from it, hate social welfare programs. It is out of balance, but like it or not, it is the same animal. It one that we have either run from or refused it exists, but it does. Some want the entire government gone to get rid of the MIC, want default, want chaos because they think that somehow there will be a liberal, progressive system replace. I'd say the chances of that are NIL. Liberal and progressive means working within the system, not howling for the government's destruction.

It's why public workers, services, schools, parks and the rest are being stolen without a peep. Take a look around at local political offices and programs, watch who is involved in government. It is, and always will be WeThePeople. If not the Democrats, it will be the Republicans/Tea Partiers or Libertarians. It will be there, in some form or another.

Just my two cents.

Tell It To President Romney, Ma'am The Magistrate Jan 2013 #1
. ProSense Jan 2013 #2
My thoughts exactly. n/t GentryDixon Jan 2013 #3
Oh for goodness sakes its an analysis by a D pollster. dkf Jan 2013 #5
As I read this I'm imagining Donald Rumsfeld's voice. "My stars, Jimminy Christmas what is Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2013 #7
It should also take into account the more than 1 million ProSense Jan 2013 #8
It actually points to something larger, the disconnect people feel from their government. dkf Jan 2013 #12
It's a year-and-a-half-old opinion. ProSense Jan 2013 #17
Oh really? I just saw a tweet on it. dkf Jan 2013 #22
Was it a Tweet from the RNC? Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2013 #29
. ProSense Jan 2013 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jan 2013 #39
Like you wouldn't believe. My problem is why this shit has Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2013 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jan 2013 #42
Skinner's sister in law alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #70
Boom Kingofalldems Jan 2013 #62
ROFL...that one gets and sends blast faxes from the RNC alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #69
...... SunsetDreams Jan 2013 #75
Republican obstruction is a tactic to make people lose faith in government octoberlib Jan 2013 #35
Published: July 30, 2011 RetroLounge Jan 2013 #26
... BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #54
From 2011 Kingofalldems Jan 2013 #47
And you posted it. Why?? You failed to tell us if you agree or disagree. rhett o rick Jan 2013 #64
This is big picture stuff about how we relate to our Government and what we want and trust it to do. dkf Jan 2013 #71
You just thought you'd drop some data on us? Why? To see if we would rhett o rick Jan 2013 #73
Dem pollster so he says. nt brush Jan 2013 #77
. Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2013 #6
+1 tallahasseedem Jan 2013 #19
LOL and +1 Spazito Jan 2013 #16
but without dkf recycling bullshit like this from 2011, I'd have so much less to laugh at Electric Monk Jan 2013 #18
Zing! RetroLounge Jan 2013 #25
All I can say to that sir is... Jazzgirl Jan 2013 #27
Isn't this outdated? brush Jan 2013 #76
who tuned out democrats? we just won the Presidency. spanone Jan 2013 #4
This is from the Alternate Universe where Romney won. yardwork Jan 2013 #36
Didn't the President just win by over 5 million votes? tallahasseedem Jan 2013 #9
Whatta useless post. nt Old and In the Way Jan 2013 #10
Another stinky pantload, thanks. JNelson6563 Jan 2013 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jan 2013 #28
You were saying? 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #67
Damn! My bad, this from July 2011. ProSense Jan 2013 #13
I was just posting the same thing... tallahasseedem Jan 2013 #15
Wait, this article is from 2011... tallahasseedem Jan 2013 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jan 2013 #20
I won't call you a troll. Robb Jan 2013 #21
That would be wrong. GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #24
dkf is most certainly not a troll. Hugabear Jan 2013 #78
Bless your heart! And thank you for your concern. GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #23
Still, the Dems should take the fate of Britain's Labour Party as a warning Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2013 #31
Divided U.S. Gives Obama More Time NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #32
Never mind Romney being so godawful bad had nothing to do with it. RC Jan 2013 #83
And perhaps without a right-wing media carrying water for Romney 24/7, NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #86
Just think of the margin of victory, if the Republicans had their act together and RC Jan 2013 #88
I'm sorry, did you say something? demwing Jan 2013 #33
Is that why Obama got 51% because voters tuned upaloopa Jan 2013 #34
Don't shortchange him. He received 53% of the vote. Tempest Jan 2013 #38
No, Obama got only 51%. You're forgetting the small fry. Jim Lane Jan 2013 #89
I tend to ignore fringe candidates Tempest Jan 2013 #91
I feel sorry for you sometimes, dkf Cali_Democrat Jan 2013 #37
I sometimes wonder. Not really sure what party, but I do know this; OKNancy Jan 2013 #40
So would "deluded." WinkyDink Jan 2013 #63
I second that motion! eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #57
At least slackmaster doesn't hide the fact that he's a conservative trolling here. Tempest Jan 2013 #68
Reagan made stupidity respectable! GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #43
I have never laughed out loud more than I have at this post. loyalkydem Jan 2013 #44
Wow... I guess you really are invincible. Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #45
I agree with this article. We have to reinforce the message that WeThePeople = Government. freshwest Jan 2013 #46
Year and a half old piece nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #48
New Poll: Democrats have party affiliation advantage by +7. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #49
What's next, Karl Rove's 2012 election predictions? JaneyVee Jan 2013 #50
Interesting article. Thanks for posting. (nt) Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #51
Wow you are getting desperate! Rex Jan 2013 #52
"election still too close to call in Jan 2013 - this is dkf, reporting for CNN" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #53
lol CatWoman Jan 2013 #56
CNN: election still too close to call. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #55
Why DU is tuning out dkf. bluedigger Jan 2013 #58
Well played ma'am. At this point I'm convinced that you could post a daily link to Drudge and the Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2013 #59
LOL! tallahasseedem Jan 2013 #60
. . . . and it's not like we're not providing proof of this . . . HughBeaumont Jan 2013 #87
I think President Obama would beg to differ with this STUPID essay. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #61
You convinced me. I'm going back to 2012 and recasting my vote for Romney this time. Bucky Jan 2013 #65
It's good to have some examination of why we lost the election so badly gollygee Jan 2013 #66
judging by this article, Democrats are going to lose the presidency, House seats, and Senate seats CreekDog Jan 2013 #72
I must be trippin' nt SunsetDreams Jan 2013 #74
Good and Bad DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #79
or they can just continue to play Mee Too to the Republicans kenny blankenship Jan 2013 #80
Gee, former President Obama should have heeded this advice bluestateguy Jan 2013 #81
It isn't so much that this causes voters to tune out Democrats but it is true for many non-voters TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #82
WTF? This doesn't explain why there are so many goddammed republicans in the government. sadbear Jan 2013 #84
MORE RECENT: January 9, 2013 Gallup: In U.S., Democrats Re-Establish Lead in Party Affiliation SunsetDreams Jan 2013 #85
We have a whopping 5% advantage in affiliation, so we don't need to consider any problems? Jim Lane Jan 2013 #90
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