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NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
88. I don't think America's success is relevant to humanity to that degree whatsoever
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:41 PM
Jan 2013

Its not the only fish in the pond (though it thinks it is). It was born under very specific circumstances, at a very specific juncture; its government may of even been pragmatically perfect for the time being (as Ancient Greece as for their time), but that time may have come and past. Very possibly, there is no single "best" government and political system, but its entirely dependent upon the circumstances of the day.

If we fail, then there is no hope for peace on earth and we are doomed to destroy all humanity.

Maybe there is also the alternative view that no government can perpetually succeed, but that doesn't mean humans cannot succeed without government. Homo Sapiens walked the earth for 100,000 years with great success (proof is our existence) without formal governments. Other tool-making hominids were around for half a million years.

The chaos, wars, famine, malnutrition, disease, subjugation didn't really get started until after we all started trying to form complex societies. Maybe that is in itself the problem, and the failure of governments on a global scale is a prerequisite to forming an alternative solution and pathway toward harmony.
Actually, my dear Brigid, I would not. Why? CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2013 #1
I've thought about Australia TeamPooka Jan 2013 #3
But they have drive-thru beer stores! SunSeeker Jan 2013 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author SunSeeker Jan 2013 #93
Some parts of the good old USA make leaving a lot more attractive than others. dimbear Jan 2013 #4
Yes ... I live in NorCal Wine Country and love it Auggie Jan 2013 #153
Same reasons for me. If it was just me... I'd live in Wales. freshwest Jan 2013 #5
Me too darkangel218 Jan 2013 #37
Love it there. kiva Jan 2013 #175
Only to see the sights and take in history, dear Peggy HillWilliam Jan 2013 #136
Pretty much ditto here. nt raccoon Jan 2013 #184
I hear ya. I would move if I were younger and had less ties, more energy. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #198
If we had the wearwithall we would move to west county cork. TexasProgresive Jan 2013 #2
+100 truebluegreen Jan 2013 #56
In a heartbeat AnOhioan Jan 2013 #6
If I could buy a little country house, just outside of London... CitizenLeft Jan 2013 #7
If I had money I'd still live here. MrSlayer Jan 2013 #8
Norway is incredibly expensive. Gorgeous, but very, very expensive. KittyWampus Jan 2013 #13
But if I'm going to be poor somewhere.... MrSlayer Jan 2013 #18
but it's expensive just to eat and drink. CRAZY expensive. bettyellen Jan 2013 #35
And its always super cold. darkangel218 Jan 2013 #39
At the end of my semester aboard I was in Oslo for two days. iandhr Jan 2013 #85
Beautiful though iandhr Jan 2013 #86
no. i like this country. i am comfortable here. i would not move out. even with an seabeyond Jan 2013 #9
I can't afford the places I'd really love to live Warpy Jan 2013 #10
Just wanted to say, Warpy, I have always thought that you are so cool. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2013 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jan 2013 #112
Thank you, too Warpy Jan 2013 #121
Let's make it..... sendero Jan 2013 #208
Thank you Warpy Jan 2013 #114
heh. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2013 #118
Tempting for the reasons you cite, but I'm too damned stubborn. I'll stay here and fight. Scuba Jan 2013 #11
I lived abroad as a dependent...it was excellent for our kids and ourselves ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #12
I haven't been abroad RoccoR5955 Jan 2013 #14
I lived in Denmark for 3 yrs and Germany for 3 yrs all american girl Jan 2013 #68
I have relatives in Denmark. emmadoggy Jan 2013 #105
My SO and myself would move to France in a heart beat..... lexx21 Jan 2013 #15
I live in the greatest country in the world NoPasaran Jan 2013 #16
+1 crazyjoe Jan 2013 #60
Lol, good one! Logical Jan 2013 #70
I don't think there is a greatest country in the world... Ron Obvious Jan 2013 #111
MENDOZA, ARGENTINA! I could be packed and ready to go in 24 hours... Walk away Jan 2013 #17
I love Mendoza mitchtv Jan 2013 #176
ahhh if Canada were warmer...... NMDemDist2 Jan 2013 #19
A few more years and it might be... diane in sf Jan 2013 #48
not in my lifetime NMDemDist2 Jan 2013 #76
Depends on where you live NoOneMan Jan 2013 #78
I can affirm this Rainforestgoddess Jan 2013 #90
8 PM Maynar Jan 2013 #102
Hmm - I was misinformed Rainforestgoddess Jan 2013 #125
I've thought about Canada customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #81
I'm an Irish citizen and have contemplated it for a long time riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #20
You mention you have asthma and your doctor suggested you consider moving whathehell Jan 2013 #158
I'm in farm country and this past fall during harvest, I ended up in the hospital with the dust riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #161
Do you have bad allergies as well? Marr Jan 2013 #170
Yup. Exactly. Terrible allergies. And yes, he recommended a tropical climate or coastal. riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #186
So It's job related. whathehell Jan 2013 #197
I'll be 72 this year and the prospect of moving anywhere is depressing tularetom Jan 2013 #21
No. Sissyk Jan 2013 #22
I did for several years when I was younger, and it was one the best things I have ever done. tjwash Jan 2013 #23
I would, but not for your reasons. babylonsister Jan 2013 #24
heavens, no handmade34 Jan 2013 #25
i'd consider it, doesn't mean i would though. plenty of nice places here. dionysus Jan 2013 #26
Oh yeah......And any one of these cities will be fine: marmar Jan 2013 #27
No, I guess this is where I'm supposed to be. Downwinder Jan 2013 #28
I would move to France, Switzerland, Austria, England in a second.Santa Monica or Rt.1 in US graham4anything Jan 2013 #29
Brigid NO WAY WOULD I LEAVE THE US. We are the oldest govt., Iceland is debatable, and a grand jody Jan 2013 #30
No? That would be Britain. Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #40
The American Revolution may have been started for largely economic reasons Art_from_Ark Jan 2013 #148
+1 corkhead Jan 2013 #84
I don't think America's success is relevant to humanity to that degree whatsoever NoOneMan Jan 2013 #88
I don't understand why people think the US is unique in that way. Marr Jan 2013 #173
Generally it's people that have never stepped foot outside Puglover Jan 2013 #212
Nah, I'm staying in this country billbailey19448jj Jan 2013 #31
If I had a choice to move it would be to Italy or Germany. Love both countries and have southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #32
I love this country.. especially since Pres Obama and VPBiden have Cha Jan 2013 #33
Yes, I would if I could afford it. RebelOne Jan 2013 #34
We tried Canada... turns out we're too old and not rich enough. nt Bigmack Jan 2013 #36
Can you grow veggies? Farmers are bumped to the top of Canada's list. riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #58
I did it before. I'd do it again, except subterranean Jan 2013 #38
Depends if she wants to be moved. arthritisR_US Jan 2013 #41
Already did six years ago after Bush won reelection Liberalboy Jan 2013 #42
I haven't missed you at all! nt jody Jan 2013 #45
Medicare and many US health ins policies aren't portable. spooky3 Jan 2013 #43
You'd get health care in Europe. WinkyDink Jan 2013 #182
yes, but you would have to pay for it. The point of Medicare portability is that spooky3 Jan 2013 #188
How much do they charge to transport a car over the ocean? darkangel218 Jan 2013 #44
I did that in 1979 DFW Jan 2013 #123
Equipment and safety standards are different enough Thegonagle Jan 2013 #143
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Jan 2013 #156
I fantasize about it, but SF is not really in America in many ways, and I'd miss my friends diane in sf Jan 2013 #46
Sure MNBrewer Jan 2013 #47
I've thought of going to the UK but there's no privacy there either plus the class thing is still craigmatic Jan 2013 #49
You think the class thing there is worse than the class thing here? nt raccoon Jan 2013 #185
It depends on what you mean by worse. There the rich are treated with deference and title. craigmatic Jan 2013 #199
Yeah, most of these people think of themselves as middle-class. raccoon Jan 2013 #206
No... Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #50
I am a broad graywarrior Jan 2013 #51
Definitely SilveryMoon Jan 2013 #52
Don't move to Greece Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2013 #53
Yep. truebluegreen Jan 2013 #54
Already left NoOneMan Jan 2013 #55
so you left due to climate change? where did you go, mars? crazyjoe Jan 2013 #61
No, I left for a ton of reasons NoOneMan Jan 2013 #77
so where do you live now? if it doesn't have all those things you mentioned, sounds like a crazyjoe Jan 2013 #162
bc gulf islands NoOneMan Jan 2013 #164
Our favorite boating destination. nt Bigmack Jan 2013 #211
Good grief LiberalEsque01 Jan 2013 #62
Yes. mmonk Jan 2013 #57
no. nt NCTraveler Jan 2013 #59
Yes, I've always wanted to live in England. forestpath Jan 2013 #63
Yes. moondust Jan 2013 #64
Nnnnnnnope. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #65
where is this paradise country you fantasize about? crazyjoe Jan 2013 #66
People "flock to" a lot of countries, not just the USA. Quantess Jan 2013 #195
Considered a job is Austrailia liberal N proud Jan 2013 #67
Yes to England! Wonder if they need programmers? Logical Jan 2013 #69
So may of us would love that. napoleon_in_rags Jan 2013 #138
Not a bad idea!! Logical Jan 2013 #146
Yes, for the change in scenery rightsideout Jan 2013 #71
Faster than you can say "when do I pack?" Butterbean Jan 2013 #72
NAH donco Jan 2013 #73
I don't understand anyone who says this is the greatest country on earth. alarimer Jan 2013 #74
+1 area51 Jan 2013 #200
Yes. glinda Jan 2013 #75
As a global citizen, I find the concept of nation-state outdated. sadbear Jan 2013 #79
From time to time I think about applying for the program that allows decendants of a Hungarian Piazza Riforma Jan 2013 #80
I doubt it. Blue_In_AK Jan 2013 #82
I had my chance, but I muffed it :( CranialRectaLoopback Jan 2013 #83
Yes. And immediately.(nfm) SunDrop23 Jan 2013 #87
no. I wouldn't mind visiting other lands for long periods of time but, my home is here. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #89
My pick would be for somewhere in southwest British Columbia, Canada. love_katz Jan 2013 #92
Its have to be someplace 18th century.. Historic NY Jan 2013 #94
Sure, I'd move to Hawaii. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #95
Since you ask, I would move Ann Coulter to the next galaxy. Kurovski Jan 2013 #96
Getting ready for exploratory trip around world. ErikJ Jan 2013 #97
Anyone know anything about New Zealand? Esse Quam Videri Jan 2013 #98
I've been there and the country is beautiful. kentauros Jan 2013 #189
The Lord of the Rings movies is actually what got Esse Quam Videri Jan 2013 #207
Yes Bjornsdotter Jan 2013 #99
I would if I had the money to come "home" as often as I wanted. gateley Jan 2013 #100
I would in a heartbeat. mostlyalurker Jan 2013 #101
Ask us in Politicalboi Jan 2013 #103
For the past couple of years MrYikes Jan 2013 #104
No. nt bluestate10 Jan 2013 #106
In a New York minute! Actually we have sold our house and we are buying SammyWinstonJack Jan 2013 #107
Giant tsunami due on Oregon coast. ErikJ Jan 2013 #117
Sigh... sheshe2 Jan 2013 #108
I've been threatening to move to Australia..being a dual citizen but my friends.. BlueJazz Jan 2013 #110
Many years ago I lived in Spain for three years and loved it. lpbk2713 Jan 2013 #113
Yes.. ReRe Jan 2013 #115
Absolutely - in a New York minute. GoneOffShore Jan 2013 #116
I like where I live. sakabatou Jan 2013 #119
Yes. RedCappedBandit Jan 2013 #120
I was seriously considering moving to Mexico or Panama marybourg Jan 2013 #122
I pretty much did DFW Jan 2013 #124
"never burn your bridges home. Ever." napoleon_in_rags Jan 2013 #140
I've been on the opposite side of the planet from you for many years, Art_from_Ark Jan 2013 #151
No. Maybe move to Ireland. But I like it here... Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #126
In a heartbeat, but I have kids and grandkids, n/t condoleeza Jan 2013 #127
I teach overseas reminder2 Jan 2013 #128
Which country are you in? davidpdx Jan 2013 #137
Yeah, where are you? nt napoleon_in_rags Jan 2013 #141
Absolutely Qanisqineq Jan 2013 #129
I've been in Korea for 9 years davidpdx Jan 2013 #139
further south Qanisqineq Jan 2013 #147
Ah I see davidpdx Jan 2013 #150
Costa Rica! mrsadm Jan 2013 #130
If I could? I can and I will! Oakenshield Jan 2013 #131
I've thought about it, quite abit lately as a matter of fact. Separation Jan 2013 #132
No, I think I'm too American to ever be comfortable somewhere else plus I'm a Californian Raine Jan 2013 #133
Yes. Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #134
IMO, the rest of the world is quickly turning into the US. I prefer to fight in the belly of the HiPointDem Jan 2013 #135
I have lived overseas in South Korea for 9 years davidpdx Jan 2013 #142
I'd move to The Netherlands in a heartbeat nt MrScorpio Jan 2013 #144
I dream of it. Ganja Ninja Jan 2013 #145
Nope. America is still the best place to live IMO. bubbayugga Jan 2013 #149
Samui, Thailand Atman Jan 2013 #152
I have a friend (American citizen) who lives in Chiang Mai in Thailand deutsey Jan 2013 #154
I would if I could ..some small village in Canada maybe. SummerSnow Jan 2013 #155
If I were in my 20s I'd be looking to leave. CrispyQ Jan 2013 #157
If you could move abroad, would you? Flashmann Jan 2013 #159
I can, but I can't... lapislzi Jan 2013 #160
Oh yes. Arugula Latte Jan 2013 #163
Yes Voltaire Jan 2013 #165
I'm in the process of leaving. Marr Jan 2013 #166
Every country has its problems. randome Jan 2013 #167
Possibly, But Not For The Same Reasons As You NeedleCast Jan 2013 #168
Australia is burning up due to climate change. randome Jan 2013 #171
I'm From Texas NeedleCast Jan 2013 #172
I'd move if I had the money davesliberal1977_gg Jan 2013 #169
I would. ceile Jan 2013 #174
Uruguay for me mitchtv Jan 2013 #177
absolutely, hoping to retire in central or south america.... mike_c Jan 2013 #178
I did, though not by choice WilmywoodNCparalegal Jan 2013 #179
Been away over 7.5 years now, MattSh Jan 2013 #180
If i could live well in Alsace or the Cotswolds, why not?! WinkyDink Jan 2013 #181
Sure - France or Germany, maybe Spain. closeupready Jan 2013 #183
It depends, does she have a lot of heavy furniture? rustydog Jan 2013 #187
Hell yeah! RussBLib Jan 2013 #190
I am moving abroad. Puglover Jan 2013 #191
Not to run AWAY from here: but I'd move TO Wales riqster Jan 2013 #192
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yes, barbtries Jan 2013 #193
No. treestar Jan 2013 #194
I'm happy here. pecwae Jan 2013 #196
Yes, this country is turning into a shithole AldoLeopold Jan 2013 #201
Yep. In the blink of an eye! PDJane Jan 2013 #202
No In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #205
Been planning it since the Bush years Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #209
Without another thought. a la izquierda Jan 2013 #210
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