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geckosfeet

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97. To some extent. Some people own a lot of firearms.

Tue Jan 8, 2013, 11:32 PM

Jan 2013

I know folks who have a half dozen safes that are full of firearms and ammunition. To have to conduct an inventory on a regular basis would be error prone and probably create opportunity for theft.

If guns are locked in secure safes bolted to the floor, or safes too heavy to move one need only look to see that the safes are there and locked.

But I do agree that not knowing about a firearm theft is ridiculous. When you choose to own a firearm you choose to take on the responsibility.

This is one damn good reason why making information on the location of firearms (like publishing it in a newspaper) is a very very bad idea.

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Approaching gun control from another angle [View all] Squinch Jan 2013 OP

But 2naSalit Jan 2013 #1

Right? I can't think of the downside of it. Squinch Jan 2013 #3

The only downside 2naSalit Jan 2013 #6

Something like that is going to have to be implemented. geckosfeet Jan 2013 #2

Yes. It would make things slightly worse for the felons, and much worse for her, but it isn't Squinch Jan 2013 #4

Good points 2naSalit Jan 2013 #5

Because more people would be incentivized to register, you would have more leeway to record Squinch Jan 2013 #9

I like the concept but think it needs a little more refinement. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #7

So all you need to do then is to check them more often. You must agree that it is not acceptable Squinch Jan 2013 #8

I think that's an unrealistic expectation. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #10

It's up to you how you do it. But you'd just have to be sure. If you think there is a possibility Squinch Jan 2013 #14

Guns can be used to kill people. Is it enough just to handle them honestly? JDPriestly Jan 2013 #47

To some extent. Some people own a lot of firearms. geckosfeet Jan 2013 #97

I like it. Big K & R from me. This is creative thinking about gun control that I love to see nt riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #11

What if... krispos42 Jan 2013 #12

That's interesting. I'm not sure. We want to encourage registration so Squinch Jan 2013 #18

Hmmmm... might work krispos42 Jan 2013 #25

If you are someone who is certain that you keep your guns from Squinch Jan 2013 #27

Intriguing sarisataka Jan 2013 #13

But you don't really have to work out the sales details. You buy the gun, you take on the Squinch Jan 2013 #21

I am thinking something needs to happen at sale sarisataka Jan 2013 #54

Yes. I think you are right. That would help with the problem of the non-registration on the Squinch Jan 2013 #75

But if registration is not obligatory, won't responsible people register their guns and JDPriestly Jan 2013 #51

Many on the fringe would sarisataka Jan 2013 #57

The grace period is a great idea. Squinch Jan 2013 #76

You're missing the point. baldguy Jan 2013 #15

This is prevented by our basic philosophy of criminal law cthulu2016 Jan 2013 #16

Tell me what you mean. nt Squinch Jan 2013 #24

I'm not sure how Sgent Jan 2013 #103

Yeah...put more people in already crowded prisons. That's the ticket! davidn3600 Jan 2013 #17

Not a lot of room in those morgues and cemetaries either. nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #20

We do it for marijuana. Seems like we could stop that and use those spaces for this. Squinch Jan 2013 #22

So let me get this straight... zombieklr Jan 2013 #19

Seriously? You asked that question? You know a lot of people who have been killed by sex toys? Squinch Jan 2013 #23

It makes the gun owner more responsible, reducing the likelyhood of it happening. jmg257 Jan 2013 #26

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #28

Yep - its hopefully leading to NO ONE stealing your sex toys and using them in a crime... jmg257 Jan 2013 #29

I am all for personal responsibility... zombieklr Jan 2013 #33

Your freedom to own a gun does not trump my freedom to be safe from your gun. Squinch Jan 2013 #35

You feeling to pursue safety michreject Jan 2013 #60

No one is saying you can't own a gun. Squinch Jan 2013 #62

I'm sorry but you statement confused me michreject Jan 2013 #66

She reiterated you can still have a gun. What right were you losing again? jmg257 Jan 2013 #69

careless life-style? michreject Jan 2013 #72

The goal is to offer registration and penalties in combinations as a way to jmg257 Jan 2013 #77

I try and not to be careless michreject Jan 2013 #90

Whew - especially guns! That would certainly suck! Peace! nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #92

No one is saying you can't have a gun. Squinch Jan 2013 #71

I am all for supporting new members that share Democratic ideas/ goals etherealtruth Jan 2013 #36

Life is tough sometimes. And sometimes the good of the republic is more important jmg257 Jan 2013 #49

Yeah!!! That!!! Squinch Jan 2013 #73

But it's hard to know who to register it with... Squinch Jan 2013 #30

Yep - someone might want to come and confiscate it...ewwwww! ;) nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #32

Lamest argument ever. Scuba Jan 2013 #104

How will guns be traced to me if stolen? michreject Jan 2013 #31

Yes. So we're back at the individual in-state re-seller problem. Squinch Jan 2013 #34

Yes... Dr Hobbitstein Jan 2013 #40

That only gets you to the original buyer michreject Jan 2013 #56

thus my comment on all sales needing to be recorded. 2naSalit Jan 2013 #79

Or, we put this into the hands of the gun owner too. The original buyer Squinch Jan 2013 #84

That sounds doable... 2naSalit Jan 2013 #89

Couldn't that be remedied by an RFID chip, or VIN type number stamped into the metal riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #38

It already has a serial number michreject Jan 2013 #52

So you have to go down to the police station, maybe take off work, & fill out a report? Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #37

Aren't police stations open 24 hours? (not snark, a genuine question...) nt riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #39

I had to go to police station long ago to pick out a pic in a linup of photos.... Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #94

Oh, come on. You lost a GUN! That's pretty serious! Squinch Jan 2013 #43

You physically can't go to work, if you have the flu. Missing work is serious. Getting less pay is Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #95

Criminals aren't the problem. Citizens who have legal guns then shoot children are the problems graham4anything Jan 2013 #41

But if guns were better secured, who knows what might be prevented? Squinch Jan 2013 #48

If guns were not allowed in the street, problem solved. If no guns in street-why would anyone need graham4anything Jan 2013 #50

So some mass murderer will not kill anyone michreject Jan 2013 #63

yeah, he would be attended to if the prior conditions were served to graham4anything Jan 2013 #99

Are you forgetting Chicago? The new street violence gun fatality capitol? 2naSalit Jan 2013 #93

Chicago is a great city. NYC had problems too, now they are the safest in the world. graham4anything Jan 2013 #100

How would making the carrying of weapons stop mass killings? Undismayed Jan 2013 #98

I don't want Zimmy's or Paul Blarts protecting me. The National Guard would be fine graham4anything Jan 2013 #101

If you have a gun and register it rrneck Jan 2013 #42

The owner of the gun is the only one at fault. If you buy a gun and 5 other people Squinch Jan 2013 #45

So a husband buys a gun for home defense rrneck Jan 2013 #53

Seems he does. If he didn't register it. nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #58

I stipulated that he did register it. nt rrneck Jan 2013 #67

All the more incentive to keep it in a safe place 2naSalit Jan 2013 #91

If I may be forgiven for reposting something... rrneck Jan 2013 #96

He would. So he'd have to decide whether to take that chance or Squinch Jan 2013 #61

How would you prove he was at fault? rrneck Jan 2013 #64

If he were the owner of the gun, and he registered it, there would be no problem. Squinch Jan 2013 #70

What's the problem? rrneck Jan 2013 #74

But what is due diligence? I'm trying to say that due diligence has to be sufficient Squinch Jan 2013 #83

What is due dilligence? rrneck Jan 2013 #88

There are several problems with that proposal although I think it is a big step in a good direction. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #44

Agreed that it isn't complete. I don't know much about guns or how the various sales of guns work. Squinch Jan 2013 #46

Consider mandatory charge of using a firearm to commit a crime and sequential, not concurrent, jody Jan 2013 #55

Your idea could be good if you added mandatory liability insurance bongbong Jan 2013 #59

Something like that is already codified in law nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #65

the gun industry makes money selling to criminals BainsBane Jan 2013 #68

See now this I agree with. I believe there's a monetary incentive behind the NRA's adamant positions riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #78

Well, it's profits BainsBane Jan 2013 #81

Great Idea... Check out this example liberal4us Jan 2013 #80

Fail MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #82

Well gosh. I'm convinced. Thanks for your opinion. Squinch Jan 2013 #85

How about any potential resales happen at the local police station, DMV, bank or other "certifying" riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #86

Folks, I'm going to bed, but thank you so much for taking the time to Squinch Jan 2013 #87

Not bad. Not bad at all. Decoy of Fenris Jan 2013 #102

am kick for more exposure nt riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #105

In light of even more gun violence today (and the rest of days), I re-propose this idea (and thread) riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #106