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muriel_volestrangler

(101,295 posts)
103. Wait - are you being serious?
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 06:38 PM
Jan 2013

We say somewhere is discovered when people get to it (not penguins). So the Americas were indeed discovered when the first people got there 12,000 (or whatever the latest estimate) years ago. But, and I really hope you knew this already, Antarctica doesn't have any indigenous people. No-one lived on it, or visited it. It is well beyond the horizon from Tierra Del Fuego, across an extremely rough ocean that people did not have good enough ships to navigate east-to-west until the 16th century. Going further south was even harder. The ice gets in the way.

Read the Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Antarctica

The Antarctic mainland was not seen until 1820.

The 'map' you saw from the 1500s was a complete guess. It was not accurate. And you have no reason to think it dates from 600AD, or any other time. Perhaps it was the Oronce Fine one, which makes an Antarctic continent far too large, perhaps including a bit of coast of Australia, and reaching up to as far north as Madagascar:



http://xoomer.virgilio.it/dicuoghi/Piri_Reis/Finaeus_eng.htm

Most everyone on DU will be dead riverbendviewgal Jan 2013 #1
Speak for yourself. I'm going cyborg. dawg Jan 2013 #3
I'm Going Cyborg With A Hover-Craft Option WillyT Jan 2013 #4
hover-crafts are so 90s, you might as well wear paisley. I'm going stealth drone! nilram Jan 2013 #27
No need NoOneMan Jan 2013 #7
After the cataclysm - Cher, likely. closeupready Jan 2013 #53
try less than 50 years datasuspect Jan 2013 #2
I think so too. nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #24
I say less than that even. glinda Jan 2013 #25
Yup...I agree...every dire prediction has had to be revised to a nearer date.. truebrit71 Jan 2013 #38
Not quite 100% accurate, btw. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #52
According to some we are looking at an ice free summer arctic by 2015...not the next 15 years truebrit71 Jan 2013 #65
This summer all the continental shelf area was open; but will the deep arctic area thaw as fast? FarCenter Jan 2013 #68
Peter Wadhams is the only person I know of that has pegged 2015 as the year. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #74
I have to agree. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #76
A little water aint so bad NoOneMan Jan 2013 #5
If these predictions are as accurate as past climate predictions Speck Tater Jan 2013 #6
exactly right librechik Jan 2013 #8
Need boats Bette Jan 2013 #30
exactly stuntcat Jan 2013 #9
Maybe this is why they try to deny it all of the time. glinda Jan 2013 #26
Yup that's the part most people don't get. Ganja Ninja Jan 2013 #36
Maybe, but it's not likely. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #50
maybe we'll call a meeting to discuss how to develop a plan to hold a summit to convene the leading stuntcat Jan 2013 #10
I'm not a climate denier madokie Jan 2013 #11
Here Ya Go... WillyT Jan 2013 #13
Thank you madokie Jan 2013 #16
Melting ice floes won't contribute to sea rise. HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #17
Ummm... The West Antarctic Ice Sheet Is Different... WillyT Jan 2013 #18
Thats not floating ice. HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #21
Yeah... The Part That Is Sittting On The Seabed Will Not Cause Sea Levels To Rise, But... WillyT Jan 2013 #22
The ice sitting on the seabed will cause the ocean to rise if it melts, since its not floating. HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #32
Ice that is resting on the sea bed is there because the volume of ice .. Ganja Ninja Jan 2013 #39
Yes, exactly. HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #45
I think you're wasting your time with this one... progressoid Jan 2013 #55
Yup... truebrit71 Jan 2013 #67
No - HooptieWagon understands the physics, and said muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #77
I'm In Earnest Here... WillyT Jan 2013 #82
(a) HooptieWagon said that ice on land would raise sea level when it melts muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #84
If You Say So... I Guess All These Guys Are Wrong Then... WillyT Jan 2013 #86
Well, to take the first result from that search muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #101
Ice is only half the issue . . . Ultraviolet Cat Jan 2013 #14
Hadn't thought of that, thanks madokie Jan 2013 #15
I don't think so. HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #33
While it can't have the really big effects of land ice melting, it could still be significant muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #78
OK, I just did some rough calculations. HooptieWagon Jan 2013 #80
Okay, but this could be very problematic for some areas. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #51
Given that there are already areas that need to rebuild 18 feet higher, does 3 more make a differenc FarCenter Jan 2013 #12
yes, why wouldn't it? CreekDog Jan 2013 #35
3 feet is not much compared with other causes of sea level variation FarCenter Jan 2013 #40
a 3 foot rise in sea level matters CreekDog Jan 2013 #41
Bay of Fundy has a tidal range of 57 feet FarCenter Jan 2013 #42
tides are not "sea level" CreekDog Jan 2013 #43
What matters is how high the water gets - tides, surge, waves and sea level rise combined FarCenter Jan 2013 #44
Most people do not live next to the Bay of Fundy OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #48
What a bunch of hand waving! No data on damages, cost of mitigation, cost of barriers, cost of moves FarCenter Jan 2013 #61
True enough! OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #63
Frequency of Sandy-like flooding will depend on the weather; Bangladesh is screwed in any case. FarCenter Jan 2013 #64
Bangladesh is not an appropriate place to have a country. OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #66
The UN projects that Bangladesh population rises to 270 million by 2075. FarCenter Jan 2013 #70
“…another 3 feet does not enlarge the flood plain a lot…” OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #69
Those people are already in the FEMA flood plain. FarCenter Jan 2013 #71
Uh huh OKIsItJustMe Jan 2013 #73
Costs are in the next section, 6.5 muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #79
i've decided to talk about your posts in Environment and Energy CreekDog Jan 2013 #60
you said "Fundy" CreekDog Jan 2013 #75
Three feet would make a difference to Wildwood, NJ and other coastal towns. PADemD Jan 2013 #54
South of Great Egg Harbor, everything east of the Garden State Parkway is in a FEMA flood zone FarCenter Jan 2013 #58
Its the straw that can break the camel's back NoOneMan Jan 2013 #57
So you need to build the sea walls 3 feet higher -- how high are they now? FarCenter Jan 2013 #59
They'll likely be too hungry to give a shit NoOneMan Jan 2013 #62
It''s not just rebuilding GliderGuider Jan 2013 #56
planet should be cooling soon uncommonCents Jan 2013 #19
Come back when you can stay longer. lpbk2713 Jan 2013 #23
Monkton sounds legit mahina Jan 2013 #28
Yeah, Monckton's an idiot. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #47
I'm sorry, but no, just no. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #49
Reversion to the mean, totally normal. galileoreloaded Jan 2013 #20
hoo boy. Here it comes. We're on an island... mahina Jan 2013 #29
Displacement 4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #31
I guess we all owe Kevin Costner an apology. Baitball Blogger Jan 2013 #34
when it happens within 5 years then they'll say the models weren't good enough lunatica Jan 2013 #37
Not quite all, TBH. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #46
I was exaggerating lunatica Jan 2013 #96
Well, okay. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #99
No problem! lunatica Jan 2013 #100
this is a truly frightening prospect nyliberal59255sd Jan 2013 #72
welcome to DU RobertEarl Jan 2013 #81
Are you really saying that Antartica's only been the way it is for 1,000 years? AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #83
That's what the map layed out RobertEarl Jan 2013 #88
No, 34 million years ago muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #85
The map I saw was from 1500's RobertEarl Jan 2013 #87
Bob, Antarctica wasn't even discovered until the late 18th Century. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #91
Hahaha, that's a funny joke RobertEarl Jan 2013 #94
Wait - are you being serious? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #103
I'll withhold judgment Release The Hounds Jan 2013 #89
Who cares? We'll all be dead by then. geomon666 Jan 2013 #90
Please tell me you're just being sarcastic.....n/t AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #92
I am but I hate putting in the tag. geomon666 Jan 2013 #97
I guess that does make sense. n/t AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #98
What could disappear? Agschmid Jan 2013 #93
That's a bummer, man. raouldukelives Jan 2013 #95
Well, I am not going to worry about it now. RebelOne Jan 2013 #102
You don't think that your grandkids will be alive in 87 years? yardwork Jan 2013 #104
How about a little entertainment on the topic, as we wait before the deluge... DreamGypsy Jan 2013 #105
so, they think I should not rebuild the beach house? hollysmom Jan 2013 #106
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