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hfojvt

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27. that's what a losing negotiation is
Mon Jan 7, 2013, 04:46 PM
Jan 2013

Yes, tax rates would have gone up for all levels. The bottom 60% would have faced $800 billion in tax increases and the top 20% would have faced $3 trillion in tax increases.

The latter being something Obama REALLY wanted to avoid.

Permanent tax increases on the top? Compared to what? Obama did not increase taxes on the top - he cut them, including estate taxes. The top 1% was scheduled to have $1.2 trillion in tax increases. Obama reduced that to $600 billion, giving the top 1% permanent tax cuts of $60 billion per year plus.

If Obama was so worried about tax increases on those making $40,000 a year, he could have proposed tax cuts that would prevent that, and fought for them. He chose not to. He chose instead, to fight for tax cuts that favored the top 20%.

BTW - the original cutoff of $250,000 - it sucks the big one. It already favored the rich.

Robber Barons are now called Job Creators leftstreet Jan 2013 #1
On the estate tax, the deal worked out was better than the Senate bill that previously passed ProSense Jan 2013 #2
Individual estates up to $5 million are excluded, estates above that pay 40%. n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #3
Facts on DU what is this? Harmony Blue Jan 2013 #4
why did I see the number 10 million as well No Compromise Jan 2013 #5
It's $5 million per person so for a married couple/family estate it's $10 million total. n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #8
And just to be clear... FreeJoe Jan 2013 #6
As long as the married couple is not gay, in which case the feds still screw them over on taxes awake Jan 2013 #7
Yes the Federal government doesn't recognize same-sex marriage re tax purposes... PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #9
+100000 No Compromise Jan 2013 #13
We got screwed by the republicans. President Obama dropped the ball Dkc05 Jan 2013 #10
Well. bluestate10 Jan 2013 #11
But he gave in on billions in estate taxes Dkc05 Jan 2013 #12
"Obama got tax rates raised back to Clinton levels" hfojvt Jan 2013 #15
He wanted to raise taxes on people at the top without them going up for people making, say, 40K a yr Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #17
except Obama did not SAY $40,000 a year hfojvt Jan 2013 #18
Right, but had the Bush cuts expired- something I would have been fine with, BTW- Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #21
that's what a losing negotiation is hfojvt Jan 2013 #27
The original cutoff was 250k because thats already where the top maginal rate started. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #36
perhaps the actual fact, that you want to pretend isn't important hfojvt Jan 2013 #40
I would have been fine with all the cuts expiring. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #42
Obama does not deserve a small amount of credit hfojvt Jan 2013 #44
and lowered the rate from 55% to 40% hfojvt Jan 2013 #14
Simple fact, although people may not want to hear it; the exemption was NEVER going to go back down Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #16
simple fact then hfojvt Jan 2013 #19
I guess you didn't hear me. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #20
Maybe "many" but very, very far from even a significant minority. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #23
Someone asked the question, I answered it. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #37
The house we are renting in San Diego could, with just a little renovation, be valued at $500K. haele Jan 2013 #25
I think you are undervaluing houses in Texas and Ohio hfojvt Jan 2013 #29
Original owner who bought a house in 1957 for $20K . California real estate market pre Prop 13 upped haele Jan 2013 #30
I am still not seeing a huge hardship hfojvt Jan 2013 #35
And the "ordinary" couple that owns 20 of them would be exempt from taxes. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #32
They wont find the etates liable now, since the exemption has been raised permanently. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #38
I guess you did not hear me hfojvt Jan 2013 #28
Where are you getting that 10% figure? Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #39
I pulled it out of my a$$ hfojvt Jan 2013 #41
Then they aren't ordinary. If they were they would have to sell it Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #43
Old estate tax myths never die. LiberalAndProud Jan 2013 #22
Hell no, they instead spread like cancer through the ideological spectrum. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #24
Obama caved on this--- can he change it now. maybe by exectutive order Dkc05 Jan 2013 #26
Yes, the 8 people who pay the tax sure got a deal. jeff47 Jan 2013 #31
This is the element of the deal I am most pissed off about democrattotheend Jan 2013 #33
Yes and no. The idle rich don't compete for jobs at the lumberyard. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #34
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