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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
220. Yeah I'm aware of that
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:39 PM
Jan 2013

I live in an fairly affluent, but also low cost-of-living, area. Lots of families have a parent stay at home, and it's usually based on which one makes the least money, and in most cases that's still the mom. (I don't mean to be heteronormative here as I know several same-sex parent families as well, but since this is about questioning whether men or women make more/stay at home more, it didn't seem to make sense to include them.)

No. sibelian Jan 2013 #1
Many white men are still doing nasty things and then when they are called it, it's "reverse racism" MightyMopar Jan 2013 #4
Many aren't. What is your point? Kurska Jan 2013 #56
No link was made between the nasty things occurring and any nasty white men. Bradical79 Jan 2013 #63
There is no such thing as reverse racism Major Nikon Jan 2013 #99
If you think about the term "reverse racism" shouldn't that really mean... Cary Jan 2013 #281
That Idea, of Course, On the Road Jan 2013 #380
You misinterpret. annabanana Jan 2013 #5
yep. i think it's worse now since times are tougher for everyone- men compare their fortunes to bettyellen Jan 2013 #11
But it has ALWAYS been that way tblue Jan 2013 #152
yes, I'm just saying the current recession is causing a spike in resentment and fear. bettyellen Jan 2013 #162
No. Times aren't tougher for everyone. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #172
HA HA, the baseline on this chart was when women made 55% of what men did for same job bettyellen Jan 2013 #183
No. My post seems to say that your premise is hogwash. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #188
you're not going to get any sympathy when you're ignoring the real issue of stagnation of wages bettyellen Jan 2013 #191
Entitlement? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #193
So, you have issues with some men making less money than some women. Too fucking bad. bettyellen Jan 2013 #195
Don't let me interrupt. You were about to make some sort of point about my privilege, no doubt. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #202
because your under performing sons are exceptions that prove the rule? bettyellen Jan 2013 #208
I stay at home with my kids gollygee Jan 2013 #211
Lucky! But of course you know both parents working is the norm in America now bettyellen Jan 2013 #218
Yeah I'm aware of that gollygee Jan 2013 #220
My husband stays home with our little children Nikia Jan 2013 #200
yep, leaping from women earning more money straight to custody battles is an odd leap!! bettyellen Jan 2013 #205
Here's Jeffy posting that women should pay MORE for health insurance than men CreekDog Jan 2013 #248
Thanks for providing my words which say exactly the OPPOSITE of what you attribute to me. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #258
you advocate policies like FDR for MEN and policies like Rush Limbaugh when it comes to women CreekDog Jan 2013 #269
I think that gender should not be a rating criteria for life and auto insurance. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #273
No, you think gender should be a rating factor when it COSTS WOMEN MORE CreekDog Jan 2013 #274
You know what I believe despite the fact that I say the exact opposite. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #286
what makes your posts and positions so MORALLY BANKRUPT is that you oppose things that help women CreekDog Jan 2013 #288
that's what makes you so transparently hypocritical!!! you support anything that saves men money CreekDog Jan 2013 #305
And why the assumption that the stress of being a stay-at-home dad would cause divorce gollygee Jan 2013 #212
Being a stay at home dad isn't stressful at all. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #228
My Sister in Law has been the bread winner in her family for twentyfive years... Walk away Jan 2013 #352
revenge? BainsBane Jan 2013 #403
Thank you. Helen Reddy Jan 2013 #196
Hear me ROAR! bettyellen Jan 2013 #199
*wink and a *nod n/t Helen Reddy Jan 2013 #203
Bogus crazyrayray Jan 2013 #383
what's the sound of one hand clapping? CreekDog Jan 2013 #239
Good! Then you'll be glad to know you've arrived. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #240
then why did you just post a graph saying it's not a myth? CreekDog Jan 2013 #241
You could try reading the links to educate yourself. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #249
Wow, according to your graph, women still make a LOT LESS Jamastiene Jan 2013 #265
If everyone worked the same hours in the same careers, that might hold some logic. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #271
That's not true, as you've been shown over and over again. yardwork Jan 2013 #338
The 7% is attributable to the fact that AAUW is doing the study. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #341
women earn less than men BainsBane Jan 2013 #399
Bingo Anna! Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2013 #22
The discussion over privilege is a sticky one bayareamike Jan 2013 #28
"I think us white guys need to man up and acknowledge this centuries old offense." sibelian Jan 2013 #92
This is junk. MKITEM Jan 2013 #108
Any black landowners at the time? We know what they did to Native American landholders in Georgia. MightyMopar Jan 2013 #109
There were many free men in colonial times. MKITEM Jan 2013 #110
there were many dsc Jan 2013 #135
And Mexican landowners who ended up on the north side of the new border... backscatter712 Jan 2013 #216
That eventually went away treestar Jan 2013 #119
True, but then some groups of white men were still excluded > Irish need not apply KittyWampus Jan 2013 #165
We have the most unequal society in the developed world. How did men "get" equality? nt Romulox Jan 2013 #325
Please explain that to billh58 Jan 2013 #144
Non landing owning people didn't own slaves. Think this through a bit, would you? Romulox Jan 2013 #295
Yes, it does make sense billh58 Jan 2013 #322
This is nonsense. Sharecroppers (non landing owning agricultural workers) didn't own slaves. Romulox Jan 2013 #323
Now where did I say "sharecroppers?" billh58 Jan 2013 #335
Study history. "Sharecroppers" were what non-land owning agricultural workers were called. Romulox Jan 2013 #339
Dear Romulox, billh58 Jan 2013 #347
I mentioned neither your education nor intellect. I mention your *fabricated history*. Romulox Jan 2013 #350
You used the word "likely", bill. I think"on occasion" used above is much more accurate. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #432
Thank you. sibelian Jan 2013 #315
Statistically maybe, and there are a bunch of things that are not easier for me because of iiibbb Jan 2013 #127
Life is easier because I'm white. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #175
That's not what the OP is saying Warpy Jan 2013 #12
Oh, give it a rest, it's exactly what they're saying... sibelian Jan 2013 #93
lol Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #14
Post 26 applies. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #33
change it CreekDog Jan 2013 #61
Recognize it. Racism and sexism aren't individual moral flaws; they're roles we play in a system Recursion Jan 2013 #73
Yeah, I've heard it. All of it. sibelian Jan 2013 #94
No treestar Jan 2013 #116
No bad...responsible to help make the necessary changes. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #181
No. There is no "privilege". sibelian Jan 2013 #317
Then you should be even more upset about it Orrex Jan 2013 #351
.... what on EARTH.... ? sibelian Jan 2013 #367
You should watch this. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #428
You completely misunderstand the problem. Deep13 Jan 2013 #304
Quit whining BainsBane Jan 2013 #397
Are there people who don't think it exists? It's almost the entire basis of christian conservatism. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #2
Lots of people deny it, generally those who benefit from it. Posteritatis Jan 2013 #7
Annnd this thread's certainly joined the others. Ugh. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #44
There is no "white male privilege". sibelian Jan 2013 #421
" man up" this would also be misandrist. equal to misogyny. per some men on du. seabeyond Jan 2013 #3
I should have used different language such as "face up" MightyMopar Jan 2013 #6
lol, ass up? i dunno. though, man up should not be a lot different from be a man. seabeyond Jan 2013 #8
Both are a form of stereotyping Major Nikon Jan 2013 #100
One of the most interesting developments in recent feminist scholarship... Deep13 Jan 2013 #307
yes. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #320
Fantastic post. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #381
Agree. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #391
Which white guys? Gays? Handicap? The poor? The Straight Story Jan 2013 #9
You don't understand how privilege works gollygee Jan 2013 #10
1+ ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #13
Inaccurate idiocy. Swamp Lover Jan 2013 #39
The concept isn't idiocy, just the way it's used sometimes Major Nikon Jan 2013 #101
B.S. MKITEM Jan 2013 #111
Thank you; someone who gets it Mdterp01 Jan 2013 #174
No. It is not "privilege." sibelian Jan 2013 #314
It's kind of a yin/yang thing gollygee Jan 2013 #319
No. It is not a "yin/ying" thing. sibelian Jan 2013 #374
Yes, it is a "yin/yang" thing gollygee Jan 2013 #377
No. The use of the term "white male privilege" has nothing to do with acknowledging anything. sibelian Jan 2013 #425
It doesn't mean someone else has GONE up gollygee Jan 2013 #430
No. There is no "privilege". sibelian Jan 2013 #316
No. White people have no "privileges". sibelian Jan 2013 #420
Do you think saying it more often gollygee Jan 2013 #431
here you go... PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #19
Love that! Thanks! smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #102
I wish this was an OP. Jamastiene Jan 2013 #279
Post 26 applies. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #34
Whooosh! Don't you have some cigarette smokers rights to defend. madinmaryland Jan 2013 #38
ask yourself whether being poor, gay, disabled, etc. would be easier or harder if not white CreekDog Jan 2013 #82
The Village People. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #207
Look at it this way Marrah_G Jan 2013 #369
YES. Take this privileged white male, for example. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #15
yes. he can drive his old beat up car and not be pulled over by police while a black man driving seabeyond Jan 2013 #16
I don't know if meth is a problem where you live, Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2013 #31
If you're talking about cops pulling people over, the relevant privilege is "attractive female", Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #48
yes. an attractive white female would get passes. as do my husband, oldest brother and father. seabeyond Jan 2013 #62
Of course theKed Jan 2013 #124
"I'm not diminishing female rape at all". yes. you are. seabeyond Jan 2013 #128
I think I understand theKed Jan 2013 #138
again, yes, another post to ignore white male privilege. nothing more. seabeyond Jan 2013 #141
Apology accepted? theKed Jan 2013 #147
now you project outrage. do you ever have an honest debate, or this just your style, cause it does seabeyond Jan 2013 #149
Who was denying white male privilege? theKed Jan 2013 #156
now... this would be just more bullshit. seabeyond Jan 2013 #159
Just following the track you laid down. theKed Jan 2013 #166
This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Jan 2013 #186
I know men can get raped too, but I do not know the Jamastiene Jan 2013 #285
um, have you never heard of a "pu**y check?" zazen Jan 2013 #95
I bet that guy wouldn't trade places with Halle Berry if you asked him. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #21
Post 26 applies. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #35
I really don't think that particular white guy is the subject Whisp Jan 2013 #65
OK. For the sake of fairness let me post a picture of a black dude. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #75
sure is handsome, and smart too I bet. Whisp Jan 2013 #81
Not surprised to see the point woosh over your head... Scootaloo Jan 2013 #308
This is literally the only place I've ever run across the meme that discussing privilege is bigoted. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #17
It's actually a pretty common reaction Posteritatis Jan 2013 #18
It's strange, since I know most if not all DUers would agree that the concept Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #20
The right has done a very good job messaging. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #27
me too. bench scientist Jan 2013 #250
Sadly, in my hometown, Jamastiene Jan 2013 #289
Yeah, and it is time to do this RobertEarl Jan 2013 #23
Wot? truebluegreen Jan 2013 #29
No. RobertEarl Jan 2013 #43
White males have done many good things in this country truebluegreen Jan 2013 #47
My opinion RobertEarl Jan 2013 #52
"...the affirmative action the wm embraced...." truebluegreen Jan 2013 #60
Where did I do that? RobertEarl Jan 2013 #66
Sorry if I misread you; given your "point" I'm not sure I did. truebluegreen Jan 2013 #176
White men are the reason that America and Europe are great? yardwork Jan 2013 #407
Did I write that? No RobertEarl Jan 2013 #409
Spell it out for me, then. yardwork Jan 2013 #411
Read my post. RobertEarl Jan 2013 #412
Snort. Are you going to start a thread complaining about my post in Meta? yardwork Jan 2013 #413
Well, isn't that special... billh58 Jan 2013 #30
Ok here is the contrary view RobertEarl Jan 2013 #41
Yes, I agree. The privileged white male "has been very, very for society." Lex Jan 2013 #376
Thank you! nt raccoon Jan 2013 #103
IT. IS. NOT. "PRIVILEGE". sibelian Jan 2013 #378
Are you talking about the "right" of billh58 Jan 2013 #385
"It is not an ADVANTAGE to live in the absence of oppression." Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #386
Post 26 applies. And then some. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #37
The privileged white male has been very very good for the privileged white male. Squinch Jan 2013 #74
W. T. F. GObamaGO Jan 2013 #372
Maybe, maybe not, and no i did not. RobertEarl Jan 2013 #373
I know I am a beneficiary of White Male Privilege FrodosPet Jan 2013 #24
^^^ Does not get it and never will. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #26
+1 truebluegreen Jan 2013 #32
Time to quit trying then, I suppose FrodosPet Jan 2013 #71
+1 RobertEarl Jan 2013 #83
Your last line theKed Jan 2013 #130
HELLO??? ANYBODY HOME? backscatter712 Jan 2013 #221
Good for you. sibelian Jan 2013 #423
That's part of the privilege...not having to own up. nt kelliekat44 Jan 2013 #25
No, this is a problem democrats are facing. Quantess Jan 2013 #36
Agreed! strongly! patrice Jan 2013 #42
If we should treat every person as an individual, we should treat EVERY person as an individual. patrice Jan 2013 #40
White male privileges for those who don't know what they are... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #45
But, but billh58 Jan 2013 #50
RIght. Cause that's where we excel. In "backing." Can I steal that post 26 line? Squinch Jan 2013 #77
Of course you can billh58 Jan 2013 #90
It also means your 17 year old white son can walk from the 7-11, through his neighborhood, Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #53
Male privilege doesn't seem to work too well for him, does it? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #194
only because it went viral Skittles Jan 2013 #426
White males have received the most privilege from ECONOMIC discrimination, because they used to patrice Jan 2013 #46
And we see that in the equal number of male and female executives at the top of companies... Squinch Jan 2013 #80
Wouldn't it be great if we could move beyond this kind of privilege? Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #49
he is half white lunasun Jan 2013 #57
Are you serious??? Kalidurga Jan 2013 #68
You obviously haven't been paying attention the last several years. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #72
do you think the Black Man could have been President if he was like Bush ? JI7 Jan 2013 #86
Well, Clarence Thomas is on the Supreme Court. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #87
Clarence THomas is a Token, they would put him before they put a qualified black person JI7 Jan 2013 #88
If you'd entertain a question Kurska Jan 2013 #51
rediculess maindawg Jan 2013 #54
It's just like the Christians that love to be persecuted. Now that white guys like myself, don't brewens Jan 2013 #55
Depends on if the argument is backed up in some way Bradical79 Jan 2013 #58
White male, here ... no offense taken mike dub Jan 2013 #59
Good point. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #70
Louis CK sums this up nicely krhines Jan 2013 #64
+1! uponit7771 Jan 2013 #67
had 15 yr old white son listen. seabeyond Jan 2013 #120
Love this!!!! Mdterp01 Jan 2013 #178
I've seen that krhines Jan 2013 #318
I. LOVE. THIS Number23 Jan 2013 #222
I've known my share of white males Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #69
I tried to have that discussion once on DU2 Orrex Jan 2013 #161
Bingo. laundry_queen Jan 2013 #303
Part of the difficulty IMO is in the framing Orrex Jan 2013 #321
That argument is an attempt to foreclose discussion of inequality and class: Romulox Jan 2013 #326
I'm sorry, but I think that I'm not understanding you. Orrex Jan 2013 #348
I'm sorry. On re-read I can see my post is anything but clear. Romulox Jan 2013 #356
Thanks for the clarification Orrex Jan 2013 #357
I once heard Chris Rock quip that no white man would trade places with him. Romulox Jan 2013 #358
Sure, but that's not the point Orrex Jan 2013 #359
Forgive me, but Chris Rock having a choice of where he wants to live is an example of... Romulox Jan 2013 #360
You seem very eager to have one discussion to the exclusion of all else Orrex Jan 2013 #361
I thought I was having a civil discussion (I originally thought I was agreeing with you, even!) Romulox Jan 2013 #362
I didn't intend to insult you, but if I did so then I apologize Orrex Jan 2013 #364
Oh, for FFS! Hatchling Jan 2013 #434
Nonsense. Class privilege is NOT "white male privilege". The conflation is erroneous, and Romulox Jan 2013 #440
White privilege is the ability to say "I don't see color" Recursion Jan 2013 #76
I think the key thing is to judge people by the content of their character, Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #79
and people do that more for White Males than for other groups JI7 Jan 2013 #89
Irony is not dead. nt Romulox Jan 2013 #327
The myth of color blindness gollygee Jan 2013 #105
My sister (white, but female) exhibits a lot of what is often attributed... Silent3 Jan 2013 #78
If you are referring to the gun thread that concerned WMP, then your accusation is off. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #84
I am not nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #85
You are conflating two different things. One exists, the other does not. nt lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #91
What's interesting is those that argue otherwise can't seem to do so without such conflations Major Nikon Jan 2013 #97
I'll be happy to accept responsibility for my unearned privilege if you promise to never Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #96
FFS... "I posted a gun thread and it didn't work out like I thought it would." cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #98
Spot on. pecwae Jan 2013 #104
Yeah, it went so bad it got 29 recs! MightyMopar Jan 2013 #106
Do you want a cookie? nt pecwae Jan 2013 #112
Got bunch of attaboys in my e-mail box MightyMopar Jan 2013 #113
Thrilled for you. nt pecwae Jan 2013 #114
What wasn't factual? And what is it you're progressive about? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #107
thoughts frustrated_lefty Jan 2013 #134
I'm making the case that rural white gun owners are stifling meaningful gun regulations MightyMopar Jan 2013 #143
More laws! FrodosPet Jan 2013 #146
Fund the ATF and get it a director! Rural whites political allies in Congress stifle enforcement MightyMopar Jan 2013 #148
And this will get people to "start snitchin"? FrodosPet Jan 2013 #150
You think so? frustrated_lefty Jan 2013 #155
**LOOK AT MEEEEE!!!!!!** datasuspect Jan 2013 #117
Yer not kiddin'. sibelian Jan 2013 #375
I regard my WMP as a reasonable reparation for my physical handicaps and circumstances of my birth slackmaster Jan 2013 #115
With 10 percent of black men in prison, do you really want to challenge that lottery? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #121
Very few of them are in prison simply for being black. Most people in prison are indeed criminals. slackmaster Jan 2013 #122
I beg to differ. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #125
I didn't say that people NEVER get railroaded by the justice system slackmaster Jan 2013 #126
Tilts it a hell of a lot more than a bit. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #223
Black men in prison are there primarily because they're men. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #224
It is because people mistakenly think that there is only one definition for privilege Marrah_G Jan 2013 #118
Not getting fucked with as much by the police or ignored by bartenders are forms of privilege slackmaster Jan 2013 #123
So you're saying black men are gentically predisposed to being criminals? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #129
How the fuck did you get THAT out of what was posted above? NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #131
Let slackmaster defend himself MightyMopar Jan 2013 #132
It seems to be something you've made up out of thin air. ??? nt polly7 Jan 2013 #133
Crickets from slackmaster MightyMopar Jan 2013 #136
I wouldn't answer that kind of stupidity either. nt. polly7 Jan 2013 #137
Still crickets from slackmaster! So why are more black men in jail if it isn't WMP? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #139
Here's the problem with your stupid post, Mo... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #214
Sounds like sour grapes. Either it's genetic or WMP or let's hear something else from slackmaster MightyMopar Jan 2013 #227
Good question. Why are 11x as many men in jail if we're the privileged gender? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #225
Men are the guilty sex all over the world but you can't say that about race MightyMopar Jan 2013 #229
You're comfortable with sexism but not racism? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #235
Sexism definition leans toward discrimaination toward women since they tend to have less power MightyMopar Jan 2013 #243
Word salad. I asked an exceedingly simple question. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #254
Women can't be sexist because they don't have the institutional power MightyMopar Jan 2013 #292
bullshit. nt lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #299
You might not like the answer,but many intellectuals agree with me and unlike slackmaster i answered MightyMopar Jan 2013 #301
This entire thread is a trainwreck of sexism disguised as progressivism. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #331
I was out watching football and drinking gin and tonic slackmaster Jan 2013 #334
It looks like he intended to reply to #122 gollygee Jan 2013 #164
That's called conflating, I think. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #167
It's either genetic or WMP, what else is there? That's why slackmaster won't respond, he's cornered MightyMopar Jan 2013 #171
I wasn't "cornered" or in any way avoiding responsing to you, MightyMopar. I actually have a life. slackmaster Jan 2013 #336
No, I'm not saying that at all. Are you? slackmaster Jan 2013 #333
So why are so many black men in jail? Genetics or White male privilege? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #384
Because A. They have (in most cases) committed crimes, and B. A white person who has committed... slackmaster Jan 2013 #388
That's not how privilege is defined Major Nikon Jan 2013 #238
We don't live in an ideal world Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #298
What you are describing are civil rights Major Nikon Jan 2013 #311
It's not a "mistake". People rightly see that CLASS BASED DISCRIMINATION is the most Romulox Jan 2013 #332
There definitely is class based descrimination Marrah_G Jan 2013 #368
That is not "privilege"..... sibelian Jan 2013 #422
Women should stop having baby boys. nt valerief Jan 2013 #140
They already are. Many are using fertility clinics to increase the chance of having a girl MightyMopar Jan 2013 #142
Reconcile this with your belief in male privilege. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #226
These women are rebelling against male power and selfishness MightyMopar Jan 2013 #293
i love my boys so i will just have to settle for education. works for us. how peaceful and easy seabeyond Jan 2013 #189
It's not bigoted, of course. But those in a luxury condo don't like that pointed out.... Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #145
I have privilege and I'm a minority Mdterp01 Jan 2013 #151
Thank you for posting. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #154
Exactly; although I will say... Mdterp01 Jan 2013 #157
Yes, that was really interesting to me, too. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #160
I knew we still had far to go Mdterp01 Jan 2013 #170
+1, what I've heard in the past is no one wants to have their accomplishments asterisked uponit7771 Jan 2013 #337
Isn't this a defining difference between us and the Baggers? Flashmann Jan 2013 #153
I am amazed that anyone takes this OP seriously Vinnie From Indy Jan 2013 #158
I hear well off white males whining all the time about affirmative action or some other affront. MightyMopar Jan 2013 #163
You hear voices while reading DU? Vinnie From Indy Jan 2013 #168
This OP got 39 recs, some one agrees with me. MightyMopar Jan 2013 #169
31% of Americans believe in ghosts Vinnie From Indy Jan 2013 #179
42 recs! You can't prove ghosts don't exist but WMP is easily proved MightyMopar Jan 2013 #184
Are you suggesting that 42 recs at DU is your proof? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #190
You're doing a good job explaining white privilege. Now explain the other half. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #177
Really? I believe I never attempted to explain that subject. Vinnie From Indy Jan 2013 #182
I was replying to the original poster. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #187
Try finding positve to go towards im a Belieber Jan 2013 #173
Agreed. We white guys have a lot of internal and external work to do, Ken Burch Jan 2013 #180
We do? Throd Jan 2013 #209
No, I don't represent ALL white guys, but I AM one of them, and so are you. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #217
OK, so it exists. Now what? Throd Jan 2013 #185
We never get much beyond this. ElboRuum Jan 2013 #192
i know that i have repeatedly taken it beyond that. seabeyond Jan 2013 #198
So nothing, then? ElboRuum Jan 2013 #266
try to keep your privilege in mind when interacting with others. remember your voice is not bettyellen Jan 2013 #282
So your conjecture is relative then? ElboRuum Jan 2013 #392
to clarify (or restate) he lacked the skills, and his confidence was unfounded, LOL. bettyellen Jan 2013 #395
Bettyellen... ElboRuum Jan 2013 #401
more bullshit. "I've been rather curious myself as to the putative next step in the process." bettyellen Jan 2013 #405
The steps you have elucidated... ElboRuum Jan 2013 #416
there's a difference between acknowledgement and doing something about it... bettyellen Jan 2013 #436
Second verse, same as the first. ElboRuum Jan 2013 #439
You're not supposed to. Issues like this aren't to be resolved, they are to be used as a jawbone. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #204
that is all. acknowledgment and recognition. that goes a hell of a long way. seabeyond Jan 2013 #197
try to keep it in mind when interacting with others. remember your voice is no more important than bettyellen Jan 2013 #230
this. a thousand times, this. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #231
I was literally just expanding on what you said below and must give you credit! bettyellen Jan 2013 #233
you stated it perfectly PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #234
I'm a White Male fascisthunter Jan 2013 #201
I think those people are seeing it as a personal thing rather than a systematic PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #213
Seeing as how "white men" came from Europe. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #206
Where should black men go? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #252
Canada should be for First Nations only. You're just as much an interloper as anyone! Romulox Jan 2013 #346
It is. Lady Freedom Returns Jan 2013 #210
Ah, that elephant in the room that even people at DU won't talk about. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #215
Now you understand why there are like 20 non-white posters here Number23 Jan 2013 #219
How would you even know the racial breakdown of DUers? Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #232
Exactly what I'd expect you to say. Thanks. Number23 Jan 2013 #242
Ah, so you're assuming that every non-white poster acknowleges that fact at some point, Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #244
I've found that the only people that don't acknowledge their race tend to be white Number23 Jan 2013 #253
LOL. So if they don't acknowledge their race, how do you know they are white? Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #255
And I'm guessing you're not a person who comprehends things like written words Number23 Jan 2013 #260
LOL*2. All you can really say is that *some* minority posters acknowledge their race. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #267
I'm not surprised you're laughing Number23 Jan 2013 #272
"Non-scientific". We finally agree on something. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #276
To be perfectly honest, I'd sleep much better if I was secure in the knowledge Number23 Jan 2013 #277
OK. Well on second thoughts I disagree with you on that too. Enjoy your good night's sleep! Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #278
It is afternoon where I am and I sincerely hope that this will be our last exchange. Number23 Jan 2013 #280
I'm surprised how nasty this thread has become and what that means about DU MightyMopar Jan 2013 #297
LOL! So you assume everyone here is white unless they tell you otherwise? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #263
What kept you? I was waiting for you a few posts ago Number23 Jan 2013 #268
So... your answer is "yes". n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #270
I also assume everyone is white unless they say they're not MightyMopar Jan 2013 #294
I'm sad to hear how few actual black people are on DU MightyMopar Jan 2013 #290
Yep, you nailed it. Probably more NRA sock puppets on DU than black posters Number23 Jan 2013 #312
There are probably more billh58 Jan 2013 #400
You want me to atone for something my GG3 grandfather may have done? That sounds like the dexter sinister Jan 2013 #236
And being from billh58 Jan 2013 #324
I have a couple of big old guns, and several big and small new ones too, and I shall continue to dexter sinister Jan 2013 #371
Typical NRA sock puppet billh58 Jan 2013 #398
What in the world are you smoking? dexter sinister Jan 2013 #437
Dictionary.com says: cbrer Jan 2013 #237
This message was self-deleted by its author Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #246
Are you a white American? Then you gained from the benefits of slavery, native American conquest, et MightyMopar Jan 2013 #251
Acnowledged. Didn't I admit that? cbrer Jan 2013 #257
Post 247 (among many others) may change your mind Number23 Jan 2013 #264
Didn't say we wouldn't run into any cbrer Jan 2013 #283
Yes, I agree with you Number23 Jan 2013 #284
Racism runs deep JReed Jan 2013 #245
Can you please provide attribution for the text you quoted... SidDithers Jan 2013 #261
I'm sure you can see the names of the handful of posters that desperately need to read Number23 Jan 2013 #275
This would have been a very useful and productive conversation to have in the 1950s. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #247
Got under your skin, did it? That's probably not a bad thing Number23 Jan 2013 #256
I would say "mild bemusement" as opposed to "disgust". Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #262
I reject your whole premise that bigotry is "the defining difference" between white males and Bagger Lil Missy Jan 2013 #259
In the opening of The Great Gatsby Chathamization Jan 2013 #287
Here's an example of white privilege that doesn't often get acknowledged: thucythucy Jan 2013 #291
That "privilege" goes to women as much if not moreso. It doesn't really support Romulox Jan 2013 #296
If you will re-read billh58 Jan 2013 #328
You've made this mistake before: you can't limit discussion to some subset of the OP. Romulox Jan 2013 #330
No, it is you who have made this billh58 Jan 2013 #342
thucythucy's points are interesting. You, on the other hand, are following me from thread to thread Romulox Jan 2013 #345
As I remember, it was you billh58 Jan 2013 #349
Except of course thucythucy Jan 2013 #343
Women control the majority of wealth in this country. Romulox Jan 2013 #344
Interesting website, thucythucy Jan 2013 #353
"Wages" and "wealth" are very different concepts. You were discussing intergenerational transfers Romulox Jan 2013 #354
Indeed. "wealth" is something of an amorphous term. thucythucy Jan 2013 #366
Hopefully this is a better source for the same info (Forbes.com). Romulox Jan 2013 #355
The male privilege part of the equation is the only controversial one. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #329
I think it would help if class privilege were discussed simultaneously with WMP Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #300
This isn't an admission of personal guilt, BTW,... Deep13 Jan 2013 #302
they are a very threatened group Skittles Jan 2013 #306
Personally, I am delighted that we have elected a black President. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #309
PREACH IT, NYE! Skittles Jan 2013 #310
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2013 #340
Of course white privilege exists sylvi Jan 2013 #313
What is white privilege? crazyrayray Jan 2013 #387
Well, ideally what you say is true. sylvi Jan 2013 #393
Let me offer you a picture of white male privelege jtuck004 Jan 2013 #363
Frank was Native American. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #419
Yes and I should have made that clear. jtuck004 Jan 2013 #424
I was reminded that there is some suggestion that Frank Little was at least part Native American. jtuck004 Jan 2013 #427
Womanist Musings: Stop Denying White Female Privilege Bonobo Jan 2013 #438
Agree 100%, WMP is very much alive in the USA Taverner Jan 2013 #365
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #370
In your mind, maybe. But not in real life. Lex Jan 2013 #379
I'm not sure where I am OccupyManny Jan 2013 #382
Pale faced doughy fat white grey haired men 4 t 4 Jan 2013 #390
why do you have to insult DU to make your point? Can you back it up? yurbud Jan 2013 #389
57 recs, a bunch of people agree with me MightyMopar Jan 2013 #394
Not really an answer is it? ElboRuum Jan 2013 #402
Several black DU'ers have told me DU isn't African American friendly including on one on this thread MightyMopar Jan 2013 #406
So this is your attempt at mending a fence or two? ElboRuum Jan 2013 #410
"premeditated attempt to make DU suck"? Really? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #408
Yep, it's what I said. ElboRuum Jan 2013 #414
NOT ADMITTING WMP IS A PROBLEM OR EVEN EXISTS IS THE PROBLEM! MightyMopar Jan 2013 #415
Fine. ElboRuum Jan 2013 #417
Not really on a witch hunt just a search for clarity about Democrats MightyMopar Jan 2013 #418
You can look on this thread for billh58 Jan 2013 #404
How the heck is the OP insulting DU? Taverner Jan 2013 #435
I'm not surprised at all. Not at all. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #396
Tim Wise - The Pathology of White Privilege PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #429
Thank you for posting billh58 Jan 2013 #433
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