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uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
91. Some can, yes. Some no. It depends. Schizophrenia no. Bipolar probably unless well controlled.
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 06:55 PM
Jan 2013

Depression including postpartum, it depends as there is a HUGE range there.

You also wrote
"Postpartum depression has caused woman to murder their children. Bipolar disorder is a serious condition, mania causes sleeplessness, sometimes for days, along with hallucinations, psychosis, grandiose delusions, and/or paranoid rage. They do not need guns.

Dysthymia (depression) causes problems with concentration or making decisions almost every day, recurring thoughts of death or suicide, suicide plan, or suicide attempt - Again, no, they do not need guns."


And "some mentally ill people don't need guns. Not all mentally ill people, the ones who suffer from the illness's I listed above."

And " Not all mentally ill people will use a gun to mass kill" but you feel all should be penalized. You use the hypothetical situation, that mentally ill people sometimes kill, so no one who has had ANY sort of mental illness should have guns.

My answer? It depends on the mental illness.

Now you point out where I said Yates and Smith should have been sold guns. Point. It. Out.

No it doesn't hobbit709 Jan 2013 #1
My Dear Denni annabanana Jan 2013 #2
This is such an excellent point! Thank you. arthritisR_US Jan 2013 #16
I would say no one is John.Mekki Jan 2013 #47
k&R flying rabbit Jan 2013 #3
thank you for sharing this with us, dennis. no, it does not diminish you in any way at all--rather niyad Jan 2013 #4
All of us struggle, one way or another. You are just as worthwhile as any one. s-cubed Jan 2013 #5
Congratulations on your courage and your success. spooky3 Jan 2013 #6
Recommend and thank you. babylonsister Jan 2013 #7
Okay, so I'm not a psychiatrist.. Permanut Jan 2013 #8
I am more inclined to believe it is PTSD... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #9
I agree, Kalidurga condoleeza Jan 2013 #73
You have achieved DU greatness with this post. Tobin S. Jan 2013 #10
I agree 100 percent nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #69
Thanks Denni denny1952 Jan 2013 #11
I have diagnosed depressive disorder. jimlup Jan 2013 #12
Of course it doesn't. JoeyT Jan 2013 #13
I agree Tobin S. Jan 2013 #15
Thanks for posting this Dennis. Your point is spot arthritisR_US Jan 2013 #14
You are probably more sane than most people in this country csziggy Jan 2013 #17
Spot on. KnR -- wish I could recc this more than once. Hekate Jan 2013 #18
To the question in your subject line: Absolutely not! eom truth2power Jan 2013 #19
People are shocked when I tell them about my clinical depression without sounding ashamed. eggplant Jan 2013 #20
Excellent post..You are very sane to me. riverbendviewgal Jan 2013 #21
Thank you for posting this Curtis Jan 2013 #22
Excellent post. n/t easttexaslefty Jan 2013 #23
America should have health care insurance parity for mental health services. We should make this patrice Jan 2013 #24
Yep. I hear that's a part of the Affordable Care Act. Tobin S. Jan 2013 #25
It was part of TARP, surprisingly Recursion Jan 2013 #41
It was passed as part of TARP in 2008, oddly enough Recursion Jan 2013 #28
I fell off a cliff when I was 12 Downwinder Jan 2013 #26
Thank you for sharing your story Marrah_G Jan 2013 #27
I think part of the problem is that "mental illness" has a clinical definition Recursion Jan 2013 #30
I applaud your recognition of a problem HeiressofBickworth Jan 2013 #29
You're damn right, Dennis ReRe Jan 2013 #31
I'm sorry to hear of your pain and glad you found help. I think most of the mental health talk came DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #32
It's a privacy issue. Tobin S. Jan 2013 #35
I absolutely agree! You have a constitutional right to privacy and your medical records shouldn't be DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #44
What meds? Paxil? 5 htp that you buy at a health food store? Or thorazine, haldol? "Any kind of depr uppityperson Jan 2013 #49
So you see this can be done while protecting ones privacy. DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #57
How would this have stoped any of the killings? Lordquinton Jan 2013 #61
The last guy didn't own guns but there are others who have, so it would have stopped those & DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #71
Backwards logic & bigotry. People who kill are mentally ill does NOT = mentally ill kill people. uppityperson Jan 2013 #77
Yes Susan Smith & Andrea Yates, both mentally ill. Both murdered their children & you believe DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #83
Where did I say that? Point it out. Don't even TRY to put words in my mouth. uppityperson Jan 2013 #85
You refuse to answer my question so I'm left to speculate. Why do you feel mentally ill need guns? DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #86
And you refuse to show where I said that. Or address the statements you uppityperson Jan 2013 #87
What exactly are you debating? I don't believe DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #90
Some can, yes. Some no. It depends. Schizophrenia no. Bipolar probably unless well controlled. uppityperson Jan 2013 #91
So you agree there are people who are mentally ill who shouldn't be allowed to have guns? DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #93
The only question I was "ditching" was you accusing me of something I didn't say. uppityperson Jan 2013 #94
How do you know these people are mentally ill? Lordquinton Jan 2013 #95
Ahh, good question, but I believe the government has already broadened their definition of terrorist DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #98
So, you're ok with that? Lordquinton Jan 2013 #99
No I'm in no way ok with that. I'm not part of the anthill but I don't condone the dangerous DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #100
I don't know that Susan Smith was diagnosed with a mental illness prior to the incident. Michigan Alum Jan 2013 #116
Again, backwards logic. People who kill are mentally ill does NOT = mentally ill kill people uppityperson Jan 2013 #76
You're kidding right? Some mentally ill people kill people - this is a fact. If you want to stop the DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #80
"Some" do so penalize all. Gotcha. As I said, poor logic and bigotry. uppityperson Jan 2013 #81
Throwing out the bigotry and prejudiced card, how creative. Please lets just stick to facts. DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #82
That is a bit better. "Some" do not. You espouse though EVERYONE who has had or has been uppityperson Jan 2013 #84
I listed the mental illness's I was talking about in these posts. DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #88
What about all those other statements you made that I quoted? uppityperson Jan 2013 #89
Just FYI Crunchy Frog Jan 2013 #110
I'll bite. Denninmi Jan 2013 #92
I agree with you 100 percent, but this precrime status of guilty until presumed innocent is DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #96
So, I guess one of two things strike me. Denninmi Jan 2013 #105
I tried to be very clear I was using my daughter as an example, I'm sorry you felt I was using you DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #107
There is a small segment of the mentally ill who have a propensity for violence or self-harm. Michigan Alum Jan 2013 #115
These posts of yours have an awfully familiar stench to them. Crunchy Frog Jan 2013 #109
Stench? Really? DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #111
Oh, your links are fine. Crunchy Frog Jan 2013 #112
What ever. I give up. It's not worth the fight. DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #113
There are levels of mental illness and of depression. Having private health records for "any kind of uppityperson Jan 2013 #42
Please read reply 44. I do NOT condone any mental health issues being made public record. DogPawsBiscuitsNGrav Jan 2013 #46
see post 87. nt uppityperson Jan 2013 #50
My father; greiner3 Jan 2013 #33
I certainly do not believe that Jenoch Jan 2013 #34
Well spoken, sir. tavalon Jan 2013 #36
Thanks for posting this. You are not alone. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #37
I am not the Doc Wash. state Desk Jet Jan 2013 #38
K&R. cliffordu Jan 2013 #39
PTSD instead of BiPolar? Maybe both or neither. happyslug Jan 2013 #40
doctors and psychaitrists are both doing the same thing Lordquinton Jan 2013 #62
People who bravely confront what's in their mind are courageous CreekDog Jan 2013 #43
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #45
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? Rex Jan 2013 #52
Thanks for doing this, Denni. sibelian Jan 2013 #48
No, Den, it enhances you as a human being. elleng Jan 2013 #51
ofcourse not putitinD Jan 2013 #53
No! And its more important to speak out (as you have) than ever. napoleon_in_rags Jan 2013 #54
What I've learned from my own experience with mental illness is that people are extremely afraid Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #55
Not one bit my friend. bluesbassman Jan 2013 #56
No. Manifestor_of_Light Jan 2013 #58
Great post. Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #59
dont feel to alone MFM008 Jan 2013 #60
As a fellow sufferer from bipolar condition I see your point and agree with much of what you say Fumesucker Jan 2013 #63
Thank you Tsiyu Jan 2013 #64
I'm sorry, I apologize to both of you if I offended. Denninmi Jan 2013 #67
No apology necessary, I don't think you were being deliberately malicious Fumesucker Jan 2013 #78
You are fine, Denninmi Tsiyu Jan 2013 #114
Thank you so much for sharing your story with us. smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #65
No it does not diminish you as a human being John_UAC Jan 2013 #66
Mental illlness is a legitimate part of the gun control issue michigandem58 Jan 2013 #68
Yes, but ... Denninmi Jan 2013 #70
Most excellent post libodem Jan 2013 #72
I kinda owed it to a few people on the other side. Denninmi Jan 2013 #74
NPR libodem Jan 2013 #75
diminish you?hell..I wish we all had your strength backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #79
No, but the NRA would like to keep track of you Tab Jan 2013 #97
Well, IMHO, mostly because they are unwilling to admit their own culpability Denninmi Jan 2013 #106
One of the best posts ever on DU, in my h.o. kayakjohnny Jan 2013 #101
Fantastic piece, thank you! MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #102
I am a million dollar Therapy job mettamega Jan 2013 #103
Outstanding Post..Thank You..We are all Imperfect.I agree......K and R.. Stuart G Jan 2013 #104
Oh Denninmi, you have inspired me these past few weeks. riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #108
Who is the most likely to kill someone with a gun. Men/boys from age 16-40 so THEY shouldn't Michigan Alum Jan 2013 #117
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