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Most, if not all, of the NRA supporter arguments I have read [View all] NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 OP

You say, "For protection, guns are pretty much useless as defense ..." Then, don't check out this: AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #1

If someone was in the mood, he or she could probably use that information ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #5

From a site whose logo says: NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #6

"911 did not stop an Indiana home invasion, three bullets did" AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #2

THREE bullets, not 30. NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #4

Yes, "three bullets." AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #24

Because the victim sylvi Jan 2013 #99

So this "Home Invasion" should have been stopped before it happened intaglio Jan 2013 #106

Agreed. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #110

No matter what legislation you can come up with the doc03 Jan 2013 #3

True, which is why we need to keep pointing out the holes NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #7

Have you ever looked at the gun magazines on the market? Most of them have a doc03 Jan 2013 #9

Who is Berserker Jan 2013 #10

Yep! and he talks to me. He also has a CCW. nt NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #139

Your "trained professionals" argument is false rl6214 Jan 2013 #8

I was only repeated the arguments used NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #13

About 90% of the people that own guns safeinOhio Jan 2013 #23

Oh great, a gun toter that thinks they are better than police. Hoyt Jan 2013 #71

I am a better shot than some police rl6214 Jan 2013 #79

That's what MANY people believe.... NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #140

I have trained cops to shoot rl6214 Jan 2013 #142

You need to read more... cbrer Jan 2013 #11

I would LOVE to have a discussion based in reality. NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #14

Correllation does not equal causation. dairydog91 Jan 2013 #21

It's pretty simple. krispos42 Jan 2013 #12

Ah yes, the NRA slippery slope nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #17

It's here. krispos42 Jan 2013 #18

It s based on California's nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #20

"Incidentally", indeed. dairydog91 Jan 2013 #22

It is funny, another NRA talking point nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #27

"Summary of 2013 Feinstein Assault Weapons Legislation" krispos42 Jan 2013 #25

If I had my way, the 1934 legislation would apply nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #28

There's 108,000 words in California law. krispos42 Jan 2013 #30

Well, I want at a minimum universal background checks nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #37

I agree with you. krispos42 Jan 2013 #39

No, it has to be federal. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #48

10th Amendment. krispos42 Jan 2013 #50

Do guns cross state lines? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #54

And when they are sold across state lines, it's through FFLs. krispos42 Jan 2013 #62

This is why it has to be federal nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #63

But it won't be. krispos42 Jan 2013 #64

How so? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #65

Because it's an intrastate transfer. krispos42 Jan 2013 #66

I am telling you the way it is nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #70

And we can't get federal krispos42 Jan 2013 #73

Yup, you got ths figured out nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #85

For what record? krispos42 Jan 2013 #93

Florida do this???? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #112

So because Texas won't do it, California shouldn't? n/t krispos42 Jan 2013 #113

If it is going to work, truly, it needs to be federal nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #124

It needs to be as widespread as possible. krispos42 Jan 2013 #125

It needs to be federal nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #126

If Washington can make that happen, then fine. krispos42 Jan 2013 #127

The same argument was made for the 1934 legislation nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #128

For the $200 transfer tax. krispos42 Jan 2013 #130

They are talking national databases and universal nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #131

I agree on consistent and universal checks SQUEE Jan 2013 #123

Isnt that the point? If the 1994 was ineffective, why not expand it? jmg257 Jan 2013 #29

Ban more cosmetic features? krispos42 Jan 2013 #35

Yep..what you said. If I was serious, I would, or close to it. jmg257 Jan 2013 #43

Of course, if we really wanted to cut gun violence... krispos42 Jan 2013 #45

Agreed...drugs, and gangs deserve much more scrutiny. nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #51

Let's look at a California legal "assault weapon" hack89 Jan 2013 #60

And this one is illegal in CA (gun image warning for those that are bothered by them) Recursion Jan 2013 #78

But shouldn't it be? booley Apr 2013 #143

Sounds like a good start... 99Forever Jan 2013 #19

If you want to use the same language and argument style as... krispos42 Jan 2013 #26

If you want to use the same language and argument style as... 99Forever Jan 2013 #33

Civil libertarians are terrorist-enablers. Remember that line? krispos42 Jan 2013 #40

Oh goody! 99Forever Jan 2013 #47

*pats head* krispos42 Jan 2013 #53

I can't help that you are a living... 99Forever Jan 2013 #55

Mirror, mirror... n/t krispos42 Jan 2013 #59

Yep... 99Forever Jan 2013 #67

.. pipoman Jan 2013 #15

Perhaps I should have said "NRA TALKING PINT supporters" NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #32

LOL pipoman Jan 2013 #49

WHY is it "silly"? NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #83

It's nice to quote "they" pipoman Jan 2013 #96

If you want to go back through all the threads NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #102

I'm not searching threads for that which I know isn't there.. pipoman Jan 2013 #108

You claim you "know" they are not there, how do you "know"? NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #133

Oh, because I've been around for 6 years or so and pipoman Jan 2013 #137

No, the arguments against the old AWB are pretty coherent. dairydog91 Jan 2013 #16

As for your point #1, NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #36

It's not reasonable to ban things by default. Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #134

1. They are unimportant only in their impact on crime. PavePusher Jan 2013 #141

Well that certainly brought out the billh58 Jan 2013 #31

They certainly seem to be well-organized. NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #42

I'm afraid that a "reality based" billh58 Jan 2013 #44

No just pointing out the fiction of your OP pipoman Jan 2013 #68

What fiction? I have yet to see a reality-based argument. NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #81

This is a "it stands to reason" statement pipoman Jan 2013 #97

Yeah sylvi Jan 2013 #100

And another Gungeoneer billh58 Jan 2013 #119

I see less "discussion" sylvi Jan 2013 #135

"... most shooters are stopped while reloading." Any evidence? EDIT - I'm right. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #34

Loughner was stopped by a retired nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #38

That was one incident; the OP said "most", which is total crap. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #75

And I stand by my assertion nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #82

That "NRA Talking Point" card is getting raggedy. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #92

I noticed nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #111

Loughner was reloading because his POS hi cap mag jammed rl6214 Jan 2013 #94

Same thing with recent school shooter, gun jam. Then he killed himself with the handguns. Sunlei Jan 2013 #132

Big +1 rl6214 Jan 2013 #138

Actually, the "Department of Needs" is called Congress. NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #41

The point he's making is that a person doesn't have to define a 'need' for an item; X_Digger Jan 2013 #46

Then how was the AWB not challenged on that basis? NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #57

"Promote the Common Good" is not a blank check to write whatever law a body wishes. X_Digger Jan 2013 #58

It wasn't challeneged because it was pointless. It didn't actually keep people from buying guns Recursion Jan 2013 #80

If it was "pointless", then why argue against it? NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #84

Why argue against a pointless law that gives Republicans control of the House? Recursion Jan 2013 #89

My first AR type weapon was made by Olympic arms and also rl6214 Jan 2013 #95

I haven't seen too many posts that Jenoch Jan 2013 #52

Zimmerman. repeat Zimmerman. Repeat Zimmerman. The poster boy of the NRA. graham4anything Jan 2013 #56

Zimmerman? sylvi Jan 2013 #98

It takes decades for a redwood seed to grow into a majestic redwood graham4anything Jan 2013 #101

That's very poetic sylvi Jan 2013 #103

It took 100 years from Lincoln to LBJ. Patience is a virtue. Even God took 6 days before resting. graham4anything Jan 2013 #104

Platitudes sylvi Jan 2013 #105

Taking all LEGAL guns out of the street is the only way ANY meaningful advancement can happen graham4anything Jan 2013 #107

A "new law" can't be unconstitutional pipoman Jan 2013 #109

Why are you talking about the mafia? graham4anything Jan 2013 #115

Just more of the same.. pipoman Jan 2013 #136

Too bad possessing a gun for self defense is a constitutional right. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #61

The cosmetic feature that matters is the pistol grip, and it's what people actually want to ban Recursion Jan 2013 #69

What I want to ban is allowing those attracted to such crap having right to buy one. Hoyt Jan 2013 #72

Yes, I do get that Recursion Jan 2013 #74

Great, so we have another 100 million of the dang things, and will have another 100 M in decade, so Hoyt Jan 2013 #116

We have less than 50% the murder rate of 20 years ago Recursion Jan 2013 #118

And yet you keep buying guns. Of course 50% has nothing to do with NRA types and their guns. Hoyt Jan 2013 #121

I don't own any guns. I live in a city where it's difficult to, and I don't like them Recursion Jan 2013 #122

I'm a little confused about this - how does the pistol grip make the gun safer? jmg257 Jan 2013 #76

It makes drops less likely, and firing from the hip nearly impossible Recursion Jan 2013 #77

So, then it is NOT "cosmetic". NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #87

True, in that sense. It's functional in that it's a safety feature. Recursion Jan 2013 #90

No, but it doesn't do what I think you think it does.. sir pball Jan 2013 #114

^ That Recursion Jan 2013 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author logicnreason Jan 2013 #86

Is that you Mr. Weiner? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #88

Get the one for concealed carry: TTE, "If you make us open carry, we will be the first targets patrice Jan 2013 #91

not sure why you call all pro 2A posters NRA supporters backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #120

What do we need the NRA for anyway? They are today just a lobbyist for gun sellers & bribe politics. Sunlei Jan 2013 #129