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NashvilleLefty

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14. I would LOVE to have a discussion based in reality.
Sat Jan 5, 2013, 08:37 PM
Jan 2013

It is true that handguns are the weapon of choice. What kind of legislation would you have in mind?

I agree that much of the rhetoric has been over-the-top on both sides of the issue.

And, BTW, while it is true that overall gun violence increased during and after the AWB, during the ban gun violence went DOWN with regards to the banned weapons. So the ban did actually work, it obviously needed to be expanded to include other types of firearms.

You say, "For protection, guns are pretty much useless as defense ..." Then, don't check out this: AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #1
If someone was in the mood, he or she could probably use that information ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #5
From a site whose logo says: NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #6
"911 did not stop an Indiana home invasion, three bullets did" AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #2
THREE bullets, not 30. NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #4
Yes, "three bullets." AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #24
Because the victim sylvi Jan 2013 #99
So this "Home Invasion" should have been stopped before it happened intaglio Jan 2013 #106
Agreed. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #110
No matter what legislation you can come up with the doc03 Jan 2013 #3
True, which is why we need to keep pointing out the holes NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #7
Have you ever looked at the gun magazines on the market? Most of them have a doc03 Jan 2013 #9
Who is Berserker Jan 2013 #10
Yep! and he talks to me. He also has a CCW. nt NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #139
Your "trained professionals" argument is false rl6214 Jan 2013 #8
I was only repeated the arguments used NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #13
About 90% of the people that own guns safeinOhio Jan 2013 #23
Oh great, a gun toter that thinks they are better than police. Hoyt Jan 2013 #71
I am a better shot than some police rl6214 Jan 2013 #79
That's what MANY people believe.... NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #140
I have trained cops to shoot rl6214 Jan 2013 #142
You need to read more... cbrer Jan 2013 #11
I would LOVE to have a discussion based in reality. NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #14
Correllation does not equal causation. dairydog91 Jan 2013 #21
It's pretty simple. krispos42 Jan 2013 #12
Ah yes, the NRA slippery slope nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #17
It's here. krispos42 Jan 2013 #18
It s based on California's nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #20
"Incidentally", indeed. dairydog91 Jan 2013 #22
It is funny, another NRA talking point nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #27
"Summary of 2013 Feinstein Assault Weapons Legislation" krispos42 Jan 2013 #25
If I had my way, the 1934 legislation would apply nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #28
There's 108,000 words in California law. krispos42 Jan 2013 #30
Well, I want at a minimum universal background checks nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #37
I agree with you. krispos42 Jan 2013 #39
No, it has to be federal. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #48
10th Amendment. krispos42 Jan 2013 #50
Do guns cross state lines? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #54
And when they are sold across state lines, it's through FFLs. krispos42 Jan 2013 #62
This is why it has to be federal nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #63
But it won't be. krispos42 Jan 2013 #64
How so? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #65
Because it's an intrastate transfer. krispos42 Jan 2013 #66
I am telling you the way it is nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #70
And we can't get federal krispos42 Jan 2013 #73
Yup, you got ths figured out nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #85
For what record? krispos42 Jan 2013 #93
Florida do this???? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #112
So because Texas won't do it, California shouldn't? n/t krispos42 Jan 2013 #113
If it is going to work, truly, it needs to be federal nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #124
It needs to be as widespread as possible. krispos42 Jan 2013 #125
It needs to be federal nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #126
If Washington can make that happen, then fine. krispos42 Jan 2013 #127
The same argument was made for the 1934 legislation nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #128
For the $200 transfer tax. krispos42 Jan 2013 #130
They are talking national databases and universal nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #131
I agree on consistent and universal checks SQUEE Jan 2013 #123
Isnt that the point? If the 1994 was ineffective, why not expand it? jmg257 Jan 2013 #29
Ban more cosmetic features? krispos42 Jan 2013 #35
Yep..what you said. If I was serious, I would, or close to it. jmg257 Jan 2013 #43
Of course, if we really wanted to cut gun violence... krispos42 Jan 2013 #45
Agreed...drugs, and gangs deserve much more scrutiny. nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #51
Let's look at a California legal "assault weapon" hack89 Jan 2013 #60
And this one is illegal in CA (gun image warning for those that are bothered by them) Recursion Jan 2013 #78
But shouldn't it be? booley Apr 2013 #143
Sounds like a good start... 99Forever Jan 2013 #19
If you want to use the same language and argument style as... krispos42 Jan 2013 #26
If you want to use the same language and argument style as... 99Forever Jan 2013 #33
Civil libertarians are terrorist-enablers. Remember that line? krispos42 Jan 2013 #40
Oh goody! 99Forever Jan 2013 #47
*pats head* krispos42 Jan 2013 #53
I can't help that you are a living... 99Forever Jan 2013 #55
Mirror, mirror... n/t krispos42 Jan 2013 #59
Yep... 99Forever Jan 2013 #67
.. pipoman Jan 2013 #15
Perhaps I should have said "NRA TALKING PINT supporters" NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #32
LOL pipoman Jan 2013 #49
WHY is it "silly"? NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #83
It's nice to quote "they" pipoman Jan 2013 #96
If you want to go back through all the threads NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #102
I'm not searching threads for that which I know isn't there.. pipoman Jan 2013 #108
You claim you "know" they are not there, how do you "know"? NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #133
Oh, because I've been around for 6 years or so and pipoman Jan 2013 #137
No, the arguments against the old AWB are pretty coherent. dairydog91 Jan 2013 #16
As for your point #1, NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #36
It's not reasonable to ban things by default. Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #134
1. They are unimportant only in their impact on crime. PavePusher Jan 2013 #141
Well that certainly brought out the billh58 Jan 2013 #31
They certainly seem to be well-organized. NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #42
I'm afraid that a "reality based" billh58 Jan 2013 #44
No just pointing out the fiction of your OP pipoman Jan 2013 #68
What fiction? I have yet to see a reality-based argument. NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #81
This is a "it stands to reason" statement pipoman Jan 2013 #97
Yeah sylvi Jan 2013 #100
And another Gungeoneer billh58 Jan 2013 #119
I see less "discussion" sylvi Jan 2013 #135
"... most shooters are stopped while reloading." Any evidence? EDIT - I'm right. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #34
Loughner was stopped by a retired nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #38
That was one incident; the OP said "most", which is total crap. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #75
And I stand by my assertion nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #82
That "NRA Talking Point" card is getting raggedy. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #92
I noticed nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #111
Loughner was reloading because his POS hi cap mag jammed rl6214 Jan 2013 #94
Same thing with recent school shooter, gun jam. Then he killed himself with the handguns. Sunlei Jan 2013 #132
Big +1 rl6214 Jan 2013 #138
Actually, the "Department of Needs" is called Congress. NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #41
The point he's making is that a person doesn't have to define a 'need' for an item; X_Digger Jan 2013 #46
Then how was the AWB not challenged on that basis? NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #57
"Promote the Common Good" is not a blank check to write whatever law a body wishes. X_Digger Jan 2013 #58
It wasn't challeneged because it was pointless. It didn't actually keep people from buying guns Recursion Jan 2013 #80
If it was "pointless", then why argue against it? NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #84
Why argue against a pointless law that gives Republicans control of the House? Recursion Jan 2013 #89
My first AR type weapon was made by Olympic arms and also rl6214 Jan 2013 #95
I haven't seen too many posts that Jenoch Jan 2013 #52
Zimmerman. repeat Zimmerman. Repeat Zimmerman. The poster boy of the NRA. graham4anything Jan 2013 #56
Zimmerman? sylvi Jan 2013 #98
It takes decades for a redwood seed to grow into a majestic redwood graham4anything Jan 2013 #101
That's very poetic sylvi Jan 2013 #103
It took 100 years from Lincoln to LBJ. Patience is a virtue. Even God took 6 days before resting. graham4anything Jan 2013 #104
Platitudes sylvi Jan 2013 #105
Taking all LEGAL guns out of the street is the only way ANY meaningful advancement can happen graham4anything Jan 2013 #107
A "new law" can't be unconstitutional pipoman Jan 2013 #109
Why are you talking about the mafia? graham4anything Jan 2013 #115
Just more of the same.. pipoman Jan 2013 #136
Too bad possessing a gun for self defense is a constitutional right. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #61
The cosmetic feature that matters is the pistol grip, and it's what people actually want to ban Recursion Jan 2013 #69
What I want to ban is allowing those attracted to such crap having right to buy one. Hoyt Jan 2013 #72
Yes, I do get that Recursion Jan 2013 #74
Great, so we have another 100 million of the dang things, and will have another 100 M in decade, so Hoyt Jan 2013 #116
We have less than 50% the murder rate of 20 years ago Recursion Jan 2013 #118
And yet you keep buying guns. Of course 50% has nothing to do with NRA types and their guns. Hoyt Jan 2013 #121
I don't own any guns. I live in a city where it's difficult to, and I don't like them Recursion Jan 2013 #122
I'm a little confused about this - how does the pistol grip make the gun safer? jmg257 Jan 2013 #76
It makes drops less likely, and firing from the hip nearly impossible Recursion Jan 2013 #77
So, then it is NOT "cosmetic". NashvilleLefty Jan 2013 #87
True, in that sense. It's functional in that it's a safety feature. Recursion Jan 2013 #90
No, but it doesn't do what I think you think it does.. sir pball Jan 2013 #114
^ That Recursion Jan 2013 #117
This message was self-deleted by its author logicnreason Jan 2013 #86
Is that you Mr. Weiner? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #88
Get the one for concealed carry: TTE, "If you make us open carry, we will be the first targets patrice Jan 2013 #91
not sure why you call all pro 2A posters NRA supporters backwoodsbob Jan 2013 #120
What do we need the NRA for anyway? They are today just a lobbyist for gun sellers & bribe politics. Sunlei Jan 2013 #129
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