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(39,171 posts) Sat Jan 5, 2013, 12:43 PM Jan 2013

Journal News gun permit map endangers officers, officials say [View all]

Criticism of The Journal News, which published a gun permit database last month, broadened Friday with Rockland law enforcement officials saying the map listing the names and addresses of those with gun permits is endangering lives.

Inmates at the Rockland County jail are taunting corrections officers by saying they know the guards' home addresses -- information they got from the list published by Westchester-based newspaper, Rockland County Sheriff Louis Falco said.

"Since about 9:30 this morning, I've been in a meeting with my corrections officers and their unions. They have inmates coming up to them and telling them exactly where they live. That's not acceptable to me," Falco said at a news conference Friday morning in New City, where local leaders condemned the list.

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Boo fucking hoo... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #1

What if the prisoners are not humane and decent? nt hack89 Jan 2013 #2

My estimation is the majority of the guards are sociopaths... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #5

I had a death threat from a guy who had done about 10 years for attempted murder. Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #101

Anecdotal... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #104

Nevertheless somewhat compelling when a secretary comes running screaming out of the office Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #106

you do realise that guys like the brotherhood and ms13 etc dont care how humane a guard is loli phabay Jan 2013 #6

Well, then the guards should change occupations... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #9

yeah and if the guards all resign who exactly is going to guard the jails and prisons loli phabay Jan 2013 #13

The good ones would stay, since they are respected by the VAST MAJORITY of the inmate population. Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #16

the vast majority are not the worry its the violent minority who target guards and their families loli phabay Jan 2013 #54

I have two brothers who are retired CO's... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #63

and yet you dont realise that prison gangs reach out to intimidate guards loli phabay Jan 2013 #67

My oldest brother, now retired, was 2nd in command of a state maximum facility... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #72

then hes lucky. threats are common working the line loli phabay Jan 2013 #81

Not luck. He was professional. And fair. Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #84

never watched it though i did watch prisoner cell block h loli phabay Jan 2013 #86

Okay... that made me laugh! Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #88

i still remember the song he used to bring me flowers loli phabay Jan 2013 #90

Anecdotal. sir pball Jan 2013 #110

I'm going by AT LEAST a dozen testimonies... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #117

By your own admission sir pball Jan 2013 #118

By admissions further in the thread (which you apparently have not read)... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #119

Aww, I'm actually flattered sir pball Jan 2013 #122

Apparently, I hit a nerve! Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #130

Anecdotal. Bake Jan 2013 #136

read the rest of my responses... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #137

I read them. Bake Jan 2013 #142

Whatever, "Bake"... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #143

Prison guards do NOT carry firearms. RomneyLies Jan 2013 #17

Thank god, because there would be a LOT of dead inmates... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #20

Do you really think one needs the internet to locate a home location? JoeBlowToo Jan 2013 #12

thats why people who work in a lot of these places actively watch for tails etc loli phabay Jan 2013 #14

If they treat their charges like shit, they should fear retribution... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #18

dose not matter to the prison gangs they will target anyone they can loli phabay Jan 2013 #44

That statement was pulled... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #46

no that statement is from experience of talking to gang members. loli phabay Jan 2013 #52

...and? Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #55

okay im done with this. you keep believing that there isnt a danger from violent offenders loli phabay Jan 2013 #60

Violent offenders are sociopaths who have been ID'd by society as such. Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #66

Good plan... Let's let convicted felons decide... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #95

Never said that, but please proceed... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #105

Prisoners are full of people who don't play by the same social rules that most of us abide by slackmaster Jan 2013 #8

The guards are WORSE... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #10

OK, you hate prison guards for some reason. But it's not just about prison guards being on that map. slackmaster Jan 2013 #15

They're all armed! That's why they're on the list! Isn't that the reason WHY they're armed? Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #19

Some of them are armed to protect themselves from batterers, stalkers, and criminals slackmaster Jan 2013 #21

You do realize that some of those fine, upstanding citizens are more likely to cause a gun-death... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #23

A far bigger risk is people who own guns ILLEGALLY, who can't get a pistol permit because... slackmaster Jan 2013 #25

Show me the stats... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #26

Repeat Felons Dominate the Criminal Justice System—Most Convicted Felons do not Serve Time in Prison slackmaster Jan 2013 #27

"crimeinamerica.net"? Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #38

And you don't sound biased??? nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #48

As I've said throught the thread, I know both sides... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #53

Perhaps you would find a direct link to the FBI's recidivism analysis tool more palatable slackmaster Jan 2013 #98

prisoners have nothing else to do except hatch schemes datasuspect Jan 2013 #32

Sounds like you have a problem with prison and police and law enforcement in general. dkf Jan 2013 #22

I have a problem giving badges to sociopaths... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #24

I know a few policemen. dkf Jan 2013 #29

Not talking about nice. Being respectful and professional is what I'm referring to. Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #40

Does being respectful and professional get dangerous people to do what you want? dkf Jan 2013 #47

Yes. Despite what you've seen on "Lockup" and "Oz"... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #51

Yeah if you can get the order through strength of will. dkf Jan 2013 #58

yup once you lose the command presence then you become a target loli phabay Jan 2013 #64

All the people I've known that have served time say the same thing... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #74

the difference is that the violent minority will target who ever they can loli phabay Jan 2013 #77

But they never target a guard who has been respectful to them, despite their being behind bars... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #79

lol yeah because members of prison gangs are honourable people who never thats never loli phabay Jan 2013 #89

I can only go by what my brothers - the CO's- have told me for years. Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #91

you've never met an actual criminal or a convict before, have you? datasuspect Jan 2013 #33

I have. And, there's always an underlying issue... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #42

your first sentence raises a crucial point datasuspect Jan 2013 #45

Yes, it does... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #49

A story on this I heard yesterday compared it to Wikileaks. Robb Jan 2013 #3

an unforseen aspect of releasing the list. i wonder if the paper thought of this loli phabay Jan 2013 #4

Out come the senseless, thoughtless rationalizations and cop haters, as predictable as dawn slackmaster Jan 2013 #7

If cops do not want to be hated... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #11

A real stretch here. In most cases, inmate could GOOGLE guard home addresses, just as easily. leveymg Jan 2013 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Jan 2013 #30

You probably have more enemies than most prison guards. ;-) leveymg Jan 2013 #31

. Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #56

I certainly have a "fan club" here on DU slackmaster Jan 2013 #62

Know what you mean. ;-) leveymg Jan 2013 #94

My old "friend" was an early member of the Coalition to Ban Handguns, even though he owned one slackmaster Jan 2013 #96

Indeed. A self-loathing gun owner can be seriously dangerous. eom leveymg Jan 2013 #97

Got news for you customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author slackmaster Jan 2013 #100

Agreed on who is at risk because of irresponsible "journalism" customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #147

I can speak for how things are done at the San Diego County recorder's office and courts slackmaster Jan 2013 #148

Exactly........ Historic NY Jan 2013 #128

I can get a homeowner's address for free blueamy66 Jan 2013 #138

Yes, if the home is vested in the person's real name slackmaster Jan 2013 #140

Never heard of that. blueamy66 Jan 2013 #144

Yes, some people really do need to hide slackmaster Jan 2013 #145

Is it costly to do this? blueamy66 Jan 2013 #146

Yes, I believe the cost starts in the thousands and goes up depending on your situation slackmaster Jan 2013 #149

you do realize that inmates don't have unrestricted access to the internet? datasuspect Jan 2013 #34

You do realize that nobody does life in County Jail? leveymg Jan 2013 #36

You do realize that prisoner computers are highly restricted and regulated, don't you? tradecenter Jan 2013 #37

Not when they're let out of jail, they aren't. leveymg Jan 2013 #43

And they wouldn't have this info tradecenter Jan 2013 #50

The guards wear name tags... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #57

So what? tradecenter Jan 2013 #65

Welcome to DU! Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #70

I can agree with that. tradecenter Jan 2013 #73

you do realise the definition of asshole differs between normal people and violent offenders loli phabay Jan 2013 #75

No, it's a universal definition... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #76

not in prison its not. the rules are different. loli phabay Jan 2013 #78

Well, the rules aren't different... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #82

i think you need to visit a facility or ask your family as the rules for inmates are very different loli phabay Jan 2013 #85

Oy vey. You're just repeating yourself, despite what I've said... Cooley Hurd Jan 2013 #87

smart guys do last name only and a good idea is to use a trust for your home loli phabay Jan 2013 #71

You're just laughably wrong about everything you just wrote. leveymg Jan 2013 #61

Sorry, but I disagree with you. tradecenter Jan 2013 #83

what would be the purpose of tracking down information of a county jail turnkey datasuspect Jan 2013 #41

You really think a prisoner can just walk up to a computer and google a guard's home address? tradecenter Jan 2013 #35

Cheez-itz. Ever seen so much fuzziness on one thread? See response #36 above. leveymg Jan 2013 #39

Classic exchanges between those who believe guns create crime and those who look to science to jody Jan 2013 #80

I have a friend who is in a California state prison. He can't touch a computer. He's lucky if... slackmaster Jan 2013 #59

My point exactly. tradecenter Jan 2013 #69

It's not when theyre IN jail that we need to worry about... B2G Jan 2013 #92

True. tradecenter Jan 2013 #93

But inmates can have friends outside of prison. They can exchange letters and even phone calls. slackmaster Jan 2013 #102

Could someone point me to the epidemic of ex-prisoners going to guards' houses to harass them? Comrade Grumpy Jan 2013 #68

It's over there, next to voter fraud. Robb Jan 2013 #103

Did you even read the OP, Comrade Grumpy? slackmaster Jan 2013 #109

In Journalism Ethics class, we were made to think... Lady Freedom Returns Jan 2013 #107

The same thing was taught in my advanced photography courses in the 1970s slackmaster Jan 2013 #108

I served as jury foreman on a 3rd degree murder trial Orrex Jan 2013 #111

That gets tied up in the Constitutional right for a fair and open trial. hack89 Jan 2013 #112

On the other hand, I've seen no compelling arguments against a list of permit owners Orrex Jan 2013 #113

The only persuave argument I have seen hack89 Jan 2013 #115

With all the support that women get on this forum, you'd think that would be a slam-dunk reason... slackmaster Jan 2013 #116

Actually, yeah. That's a pretty good reason. Orrex Jan 2013 #120

California DMV registrations used to be fully public and freely accessible to anyone slackmaster Jan 2013 #123

Not quite that simple, apparently Orrex Jan 2013 #124

In the absence of information that suggests otherwise, the answer to your final question must be... slackmaster Jan 2013 #125

Well, that harkens back to a previous discussion on this subject Orrex Jan 2013 #127

I think the OP presents sufficient evidence that publishing addresses IS a problem slackmaster Jan 2013 #131

First of all, I'd need to see documentation of that claim Orrex Jan 2013 #134

You could make your physical address unknown and unsearchable if you really wanted to slackmaster Jan 2013 #114

Maybe, maybe not Orrex Jan 2013 #121

then don't carry guns.... mike_c Jan 2013 #126

Or ensure that gun registration does not become common hack89 Jan 2013 #129

That's how I see it. If registration information can be misused, that's enough of a reason... slackmaster Jan 2013 #133

This situation has NOTHING AT ALL to do with carrying guns, mike_c slackmaster Jan 2013 #132

of course it does.... mike_c Jan 2013 #135

A New York State permit to OWN a gun does not entitle a person to CARRY it in public slackmaster Jan 2013 #141

The information was publicly available anyway. Anyone could have compiled it. That being said, I am stevenleser Jan 2013 #139