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Downtown Hound

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67. I've done nothing but engage them for going on ten years now

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:09 PM

Jan 2013

Funny thing is, I keep seeing the military come to their defense, both on the street and in simple conversation. When the military actually does something truly noble, like maybe refusing to fire on demonstrators or not voting Republican in droves, then they'll actually have done something worthy of respect.

Other militaries in other countries have done that. Refused unlawful orders, chosen to side with the people over the government. Our military does neither. It obeys orders everytime and then tells me I should single-handedly change the government if I don't like it. I'd be happy to change the government boys, so how about you quit firing tear gas at us while we do so?

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Why I find these hate the troops post pathetic [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 OP

Very well said. Thank you nadin. n/t Still Sensible Jan 2013 #1

You welcome nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #2

I have a family member who enlisted after 9/11 to get out of a pathetic, abusive home. jillan Jan 2013 #3

There is that too nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #4

As a wife of a lifer I thank you. southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #79

I can't believe it! zappaman Jan 2013 #5

I'm feeling a bit strange myself pecwae Jan 2013 #38

What I find pathetic about the hate the troops posts is their ignorance of the way... Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #6

Absolutely, and there s hate, real hate nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #8

Hate? I've never said I hated them. white_wolf Jan 2013 #21

Well stated. Ty. gtar100 Jan 2013 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #42

Sorry, your post was in hate for the common grunt nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #50

Really tell me, Nadin how do you know my thoughts and intentions? white_wolf Jan 2013 #111

Based on your posts and your words nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #112

No my words and posts display anger towards the troops. white_wolf Jan 2013 #114

Thanks for the clarification. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #115

You are right about a few things here. white_wolf Jan 2013 #116

What do you do between elections? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #118

I'm active with a few local groups including my local Occupy movement. white_wolf Jan 2013 #120

Veterans for peace would be my recomendation nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #124

There's actually a member of Veterans for Peace in my Occupy movement. white_wolf Jan 2013 #127

That is one problem we have seen with banks nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #128

"But damn it, latte drinking hipsters...who talk a good game" DollarBillHines Jan 2013 #7

Sipping lattes while condemning the evil E-1 privates for the Iraq War. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #9

Looking down on anyone is assuming a superior moral position over others and not egalitarian at all. freshwest Jan 2013 #10

Hence why it is so jarring. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #11

It is like talking with someone who knows the words, but not the feelings. You are spot on, freshwest Jan 2013 #15

I figure many of them are RWNJs who post the crap RomneyLies Jan 2013 #12

Nah, just your standard nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #14

"I walked the halls of academia, but walked the streets as well." zappaman Jan 2013 #69

..and had many shootouts.. pew pew pew... dionysus Jan 2013 #110

. former-republican Jan 2013 #13

I don't hate the troops--I hate the way they are used to promote support for wars Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2013 #16

Then work to change the policies that send those troops to war nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #17

I've always liked the slogan "Support the troops; bring them home" Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2013 #18

And those are the ones I call on nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #48

Such an attitude is repugnant BainsBane Jan 2013 #19

what 'hate the troops' posts? i haven't seen them. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #20

She is probably referring to my post here. white_wolf Jan 2013 #25

It is a direct reply to you thread. Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #26

It may be these words sarisataka Jan 2013 #27

Fair enough, but those words do not equal hate. white_wolf Jan 2013 #34

I understand sarisataka Jan 2013 #49

that's the sum total of the 'hate the troops' posts the OP is talking about? lol. HiPointDem Jan 2013 #31

I'm probably going to get in trouble for this, but if you revere ALL life, but make exceptions for a patrice Jan 2013 #22

Looking over your 4 examples. white_wolf Jan 2013 #24

I don't think most people have parsed it out as far as you have, white_wolf. & I don't personally patrice Jan 2013 #29

The problem is that change nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #57

I'm trying to describe dynamics between factors, so, yes, individuals & cohorts are important patrice Jan 2013 #73

Absolutely. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #78

We are not encouraged to authentically self-identify. There's that old conundrum about how patrice Jan 2013 #107

Which is interesting in itself nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #108

RIGHT on! nadin! ONLY certain kinds of bootstraps are even considered bootstraps & THAT patrice Jan 2013 #109

Why I said some of our hipsters are even more nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #113

Gotta watch out for those hipsters, sometimes, most of all! patrice Jan 2013 #117

I hope these conversations help to get 'em to think. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #119

It also helps that we are right on the economics of "bootstraps" too! Thanks for ALL that patrice Jan 2013 #121

You do as well. nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #125

I don't "hate the troops" but meaningless genuflection disgusts me Scootaloo Jan 2013 #28

Part of the problem with the self proclaimed left DonCoquixote Jan 2013 #30

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #82

Why do you assume soldiers have no choice but the rest of us do? redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #32

What double standard? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #44

One of the best posts you have ever made. MicaelS Jan 2013 #33

Thanks Nadin, great post. Scuba Jan 2013 #35

To which I would add that some of the most powerful anti-war statements and coalition_unwilling Jan 2013 #36

You have your Russian Revolutions mixed up NoPasaran Jan 2013 #37

Thank you nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #43

I never saw a "hate the troops thread. Bonobo Jan 2013 #39

Yeah, but... 99Forever Jan 2013 #41

The sentiment tied to them is what I stated nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #47

That's something to keep in mind, yes. randome Jan 2013 #40

That is not Nadin's point. Her point is that troops are 99%ers.Filter that through OWS's perspective stevenleser Jan 2013 #45

Well stated. n/t el_bryanto Jan 2013 #46

There is an element on DU that hates anything that doesn't fit within their small, "purity" bluestate10 Jan 2013 #51

Most of the troops are essentially very young adults trying to get by. Jennicut Jan 2013 #52

A fine distinction our hipsters miss nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #54

Seriously, what's with all this "hipster" stuff? zappaman Jan 2013 #71

I don't like war, and I don't like the military Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #53

Soldiers who have never seen combat want the experience nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #55

Wonder how full of praise and excuses you would be Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #56

You are talking of REMF personnel nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #58

Hey if 70% of people believed Iraq was responsible for 9-11 Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #59

Was the military involved in meet the press statements nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #60

Bush received a majority of the military vote in both 2000 and 2004 Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #61

No they did not nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #62

Really? Not according to one simple google search: Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #63

That is why they held the military vote in OH nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #64

I already said I don't hate them as individuals, I hate the organization Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #65

You miss this by a mile nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #66

I've done nothing but engage them for going on ten years now Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #67

Yup, cause we live in a dictatorship nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #68

Oh, it's no tall tale Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #70

Rely on whatever you want nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #72

Well, holy shit, lookee what I found: Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #74

Remain as unconvinced as you want nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #76

No, what we live in is a corporate plutocracy Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #77

Okie dokie nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #80

I never said we couldn't effect change Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #83

So in your world we should dissolve the military? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #85

Shrink it down, Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #87

Well, wonders never cease nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #88

I guess you missed the "active duty" part that was in the article Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #81

Yes, they also had active duty nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #84

Congratulations. You went back some 60 years and were able to find something positive that the Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #86

Katrina nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #89

You think we couldn't come up with a different system of providing relief Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #93

Yup, let's leave it in the hands of the states nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #95

Oh and to address an earlier point you made about Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #90

No, it's not the culture nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #92

Knowing this is common throughout human history is another reason why we should not Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #96

You're right...the "active duty" part was in the article atreides1 Jan 2013 #104

I served so that people could have the right to hate me. Rex Jan 2013 #75

I Joined 4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #91

The cuts have to be to programs the nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #94

The Osprey 4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #97

And the Corp still does not want it nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #99

I met an American soldier in a sauna riverbendviewgal Jan 2013 #98

That is a too common story nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #100

Thanks Nadin. Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #101

Excellent post Zambero Jan 2013 #102

I wish we turned back to Dept of War nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #103

Perfectly said, nadinbrzezinski! (Although predictably the bullshit has already started upthread.) 11 Bravo Jan 2013 #105

And will continue to cling to it nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #106

At least I have enough respect for the working class soldier Vattel Jan 2013 #122

the most ironic thing about anti military posts on DU WooWooWoo Jan 2013 #123

Yup...ain't that the truth nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #126