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"Some in the crowd, which would grow to close to 50 people, arrived with beer" [View all]

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"Those who did not were met by cases of it and a makeshift bar of vodka, rum and whiskey, all for the taking, no identification needed. In a matter of no time, many of the partygoers — many of them were high school athletes — were imbibing from red plastic cups inside the home of a volunteer football coach at Steubenville High at what would be the first of several parties that night."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/sports/high-school-football-rape-case-unfolds-online-and-divides-steubenville-ohio.html?pagewanted=all

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"Some in the crowd, which would grow to close to 50 people, arrived with beer" [View all]	Earth_First	Jan 2013	OP
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#1
Really? If everyone had waited for a court determination,	Laurian	Jan 2013	#2
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#8
have you even read the long NYT mag piece that's linked in the OP?	cali	Jan 2013	#12
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#17
.....	cali	Jan 2013	#25
YEP.	Rex	Jan 2013	#64
Short memory?	MynameisBlarney	Jan 2013	#53
You said it very clearly. You also claim posters should show 'professionalism'. Are your posts here	Bluenorthwest	Jan 2013	#167
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#185
Bigtree, I have been hanging around	dog_lovin_dem	Jan 2013	#209
No hard feelings, here. I've read your posts frequently and that's	Laurian	Jan 2013	#217
I think....	Bluenorthwest	Jan 2013	#221
I am not directly involved, but as a past victim of	Laurian	Jan 2013	#13
Damn straight!	Kelvin Mace	Jan 2013	#49
boys behaved this way ... men in their lives tacitly taught them that this was how you treat women.	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#56
People seem to have a hard time understanding	Kelvin Mace	Jan 2013	#137
thank you kelvin. this is a very good post and will say again. there is a freedom	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#139
Pure BS. n/t	demmiblue	Jan 2013	#16
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#41
Well, kind of hard to ignore their own words	Kelvin Mace	Jan 2013	#50
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#59
So, the videos	MynameisBlarney	Jan 2013	#57
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#67
You should probably stop	MynameisBlarney	Jan 2013	#72
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#80
lol	MynameisBlarney	Jan 2013	#90
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#92
Ya know...	MynameisBlarney	Jan 2013	#93
YEP.	Earth_First	Jan 2013	#102
You're not from around here, are you?	lapislzi	Jan 2013	#120
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#126
Agreed	Kelvin Mace	Jan 2013	#140
Shazam! n/t	lapislzi	Jan 2013	#119
Children?? You do know that Micheal Nodiano, from one of those tapes, is 18 years old. An adult.	riderinthestorm	Jan 2013	#160
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#165
You smeared all of us! As "going nuts" over this.	riderinthestorm	Jan 2013	#171
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#177
Well, I must say that that clears that up.	yardwork	Jan 2013	#192
I'm not going to alert on it (I presume someone else will). Its illustrative all on its own here.	riderinthestorm	Jan 2013	#196
believe this	bigtree	Jan 2013	#200
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#197
I've read all your posts here.	yardwork	Jan 2013	#206
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#211
I think that everybody is very upset about this case.	yardwork	Jan 2013	#214
you're getting swarmed bubba	datasuspect	Jan 2013	#213
Nobody called HIM an ignorant jackass	Tsiyu	Jan 2013	#219
He's using common techniques designed to shut down discussion of rape, rape culture and more.	riderinthestorm	Jan 2013	#220
we saw a video, we saw pictures, we heard the words out of the boys mouth.	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#18
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#46
Come on, bigtree, you just need to move past her bullshit.	cleanhippie	Jan 2013	#91
It is incredible to me how often we see you wilfully misconstrue a persons comments	cleanhippie	Jan 2013	#84
"a little professionalism and less sensationalism would seem to be more productive..."	cleanhippie	Jan 2013	#81
This message was self-deleted by its author	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#87
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#101
there have been a SMALL handful of men that have done this and you are right....	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#105
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#111
lol... hugzz, i hear ya. leaving you alone. there is much more in this thread we are discussing	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#114
Nope. You done good.	Saboburns	Jan 2013	#129
this is really offensive. very offensive when we hear a girl unconscious gang raped and have our	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#141
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#145
Poor, poor you	Tsiyu	Jan 2013	#149
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#152
Stop? Really? You've posted on this thread 5 x what I have	Tsiyu	Jan 2013	#155
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#159
Twist what knife? Again - YOU are the victim?	Tsiyu	Jan 2013	#161
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#163
I was not aware that I was on your back	Tsiyu	Jan 2013	#170
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#176
Bullying would be trying to force someone off the thread	Tsiyu	Jan 2013	#182
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#190
You don't think anything you've said in this thread has been offensive?	yardwork	Jan 2013	#193
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#198
"You're not the boss of me!"	Tsiyu	Jan 2013	#194
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#199
Then why do you keep responding to my posts?	Tsiyu	Jan 2013	#202
here, let me take care of that replying thing	bigtree	Jan 2013	#203
There is far too much infighting going on in this thread.	randome	Jan 2013	#204
Huh?	Tsiyu	Jan 2013	#207
How do you respect yourself knowing that you make shit up in every post?	cleanhippie	Jan 2013	#104
history of posts with certain posters. nt	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#108
More incoherence.	cleanhippie	Jan 2013	#109
The poster you defend - bigtree - claimed this was a "standard" teen party	Tsiyu	Jan 2013	#150
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#153
lol	Tsiyu	Jan 2013	#157
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#162
We all gotta do what we gotta do	Tsiyu	Jan 2013	#166
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#174
I never trashed you	Tsiyu	Jan 2013	#179
No worries, bigtree.	polly7	Jan 2013	#168
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#178
Hey, we've all done that! No crime there. And most of us don't have the grace to admit it. nt.	polly7	Jan 2013	#188
Inside the home of the high school football coach?	Jeff In Milwaukee	Jan 2013	#3
Absolutely.	Earth_First	Jan 2013	#5
Same here.	Chan790	Jan 2013	#15
Not THE coach--A VOLUNTEER coach. nt	tblue37	Jan 2013	#19
Not THE point....	Jeff In Milwaukee	Jan 2013	#23
Oh well then...thank goodness it wasn't someone in a position of authority!	Earth_First	Jan 2013	#27
In our district, they're held to the same standard as "faculty" coaches.	Brickbat	Jan 2013	#28
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#6
It's not about the teens....	Jeff In Milwaukee	Jan 2013	#26
yes. nt	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#32
You're making a false equivalence.	lapislzi	Jan 2013	#62
YEP.	Rex	Jan 2013	#68
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#69
You didn't say "mitigating." I did.	lapislzi	Jan 2013	#94
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#103
Then what was the point of your post?	lapislzi	Jan 2013	#117
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#123
Well said, bigtree	lapislzi	Jan 2013	#127
'A young woman's life was ruined.' That could be part of the problem there.	randome	Jan 2013	#134
I can't imagine it being otherwise, but I'll concede the point.	lapislzi	Jan 2013	#136
And I can't imagine what it would be like to be raped so I'm only conjecturing.	randome	Jan 2013	#147
You sure are	Tsiyu	Jan 2013	#154
can i hug you....	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#156
I'm hugging you back	Tsiyu	Jan 2013	#158
Your anger is getting the better of you.	randome	Jan 2013	#164
You made the statement	Tsiyu	Jan 2013	#175
I said some people come through this better than others.	randome	Jan 2013	#187
I have to admit, I am STUNNED anyone could say that this girl's life may not be ruined.	riderinthestorm	Jan 2013	#169
it is JUST sex. how can that ruin a girls life, be real.	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#172
That is not what I said.	randome	Jan 2013	#186
no. but reality is many men really do not want to think too deeply about this cause it is painful.	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#189
Deflection I understand.	randome	Jan 2013	#191
Amazing, isn't it?	Tsiyu	Jan 2013	#173
I do. 16 yrs old. I shudder when I read stuff like this. My girl is completely wild.	riderinthestorm	Jan 2013	#201
Yes, the bully here has spoken up often	Tsiyu	Jan 2013	#205
This was at the home of a VOLUNTEER football coach.From what I can tell,	Jenoch	Jan 2013	#97
As a former VOLUNTEER football coach...	Jeff In Milwaukee	Jan 2013	#112
This sound disturbingly akin to "boys will be boys"	Earth_First	Jan 2013	#4
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#11
Yes, most teen parties involve both boys and girls	cali	Jan 2013	#14
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#24
you don't seem to realize that knife wounds	cali	Jan 2013	#31
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#35
I need you to know that no one in my school community thought of stabbings as a standard	Bluenorthwest	Jan 2013	#180
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#195
Where did you happen to go to school?	Earth_First	Jan 2013	#33
Same here	cali	Jan 2013	#37
I now see that we are dealing with someone who has a very skewed sense of reality in this matter.	demmiblue	Jan 2013	#43
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#54
right. everyone is misrepresenting what you said. sure.	cali	Jan 2013	#58
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#75
Well, after all it was just a "standard keg party" right...?	Earth_First	Jan 2013	#100
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#107
YEP.	Rex	Jan 2013	#106
you'd also do better if you didn't misrepresent what I've said here	demmiblue	Jan 2013	#60
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#52
I would encourage anyone with similar experiences to please chime in...	Earth_First	Jan 2013	#61
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#116
This is opretty much how it was growing up in Queens in the late 1980's and early 1990's	alcibiades_mystery	Jan 2013	#148
More than a few deaths, actually, is what bigtree said.	Mariana	Jan 2013	#124
an unconscious girl was dragged to 3 parties to be sexually assaulted. those FACTS are out.	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#22
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#30
and i really do not get your perspective either. a coach should not have booze, leave party	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#34
I read one of parties was at the home	riverbendviewgal	Jan 2013	#63
yes, further, the prosecutor, mother talked the raped girl and her parents to not take it further	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#73
Her behavior was absolutely inexcusable.	amandabeech	Jan 2013	#132
i hope they mean business, good to know. and like you say in previous posts	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#143
She needs to be removed from her post and prosecuted for obstructing justice.	amandabeech	Jan 2013	#146
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#85
No one's "gobsmacked" by alcohol at a teen party, or that teens throw parties with alcohol.	Brickbat	Jan 2013	#36
No, dammit, I AM gobsmacked!	lapislzi	Jan 2013	#51
.	Rex	Jan 2013	#82
I don't think anyone is surprised by teens drinking alcohol at a party	LanternWaste	Jan 2013	#121
I	Rex	Jan 2013	#125
This message was self-deleted by its author	bigtree	Jan 2013	#128
Not especially, no	Spider Jerusalem	Jan 2013	#9
Same for me, but I have a problem here.	Chan790	Jan 2013	#10
The coach threatened the reporter and those close to her.	amandabeech	Jan 2013	#133
“You’re going to get yours. And if you don’t get yours, somebody close to you will.”	Jamastiene	Jan 2013	#208
Thanks Jama, that's the quote.	Chan790	Jan 2013	#222
There's a big difference between a teen kegger in a cornfield or quarry and at a coach's house.	Brickbat	Jan 2013	#20
A kegger with the coach's blessing?	Kelvin Mace	Jan 2013	#42
Then there's something radically wrong with the "standards."	lapislzi	Jan 2013	#44
I don't think anyone is 'shrugging their shoulders'.	randome	Jan 2013	#48
It's the adults' job to discourage, not encourage drinking.	lapislzi	Jan 2013	#55
I agree. I don't expect my daughters to ever get so plastered they don't know what's happening.	randome	Jan 2013	#71
but this girl was drugged. not drunk. and i havent had any issue with oldest.	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#79
Yeah. I know. Things never got that out of hand at the keggers I attended.	randome	Jan 2013	#86
agreed at the very least. but, what i gather in this instance is the men/adults were full particpant	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#89
There is a difference between getting drunk and being drugged.	Jamastiene	Jan 2013	#210
Right. I forgot about that.	randome	Jan 2013	#216
Funny never had parties where the coaches were there	Rex	Jan 2013	#66
my oldest has never gone to parties... not his style. yea. youngest much more social. BUT, IF	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#83
Can you believe how disingenuous some are here in this thread?	Rex	Jan 2013	#96
it is a hard one. though i know too many parents that do not seem to hold to the same expectation i	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#110
Good idea to keep an eye on the troublemakers	Rex	Jan 2013	#115
Have you seen the video made by one of the participants?	yardwork	Jan 2013	#70
And yet we are told to wait for all the facts...	Rex	Jan 2013	#77
I guess since these were not	MynameisBlarney	Jan 2013	#135
same here, lucky I didn't die. With todays internet exposure those days are over.	Sunlei	Jan 2013	#78
were your keggers at the coach's house? nt	TeamPooka	Jan 2013	#118
Someone sounds guilty.	GeorgeGist	Jan 2013	#138
is this the guy that had child porn, camera in the girls bathroom? or the coach let kids view porn	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#7
Not the coach. A VOLUNTEER coach.	tblue37	Jan 2013	#29
there are 19 fuckin coaches for this team. an assistant coach would supply booze, drugs and porn	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#39
seabeyond, I am not trying to minimize the responsibility--or the	tblue37	Jan 2013	#98
i get you. the head coach has his own garbage. but, i have read about so many other adults that	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#113
Absolutely! nt	tblue37	Jan 2013	#183
Hope all the parents "hosting" these parties are punished, in addition to the perps	TwilightGardener	Jan 2013	#21
I see a major civil suit	Kelvin Mace	Jan 2013	#45
Agreed.	TwilightGardener	Jan 2013	#95
If any adults knew, they are in a lot of trouble.	Sunlei	Jan 2013	#38
As they should be.	Earth_First	Jan 2013	#40
I'm starting to think that a much smaller list would include those parents who didn't know. nt.	OldDem2012	Jan 2013	#99
Big, fat, fucking irony.	lapislzi	Jan 2013	#47
that would awesome to send CNN	riverbendviewgal	Jan 2013	#76
I'll see if hub has a photo. He photographs everything.	lapislzi	Jan 2013	#122
Which intersection? Maybe we can grab a street view photo from Google maps n/t	KurtNYC	Jan 2013	#144
Intersection of Rtes 7 and I470	lapislzi	Jan 2013	#151
As an Ohioan who works with children,	A Brand New World	Jan 2013	#65
That is sad, they could have been stopped	Rex	Jan 2013	#74
...another angle to this: a party with 50+ guests creates quite a scene	Earth_First	Jan 2013	#88
When it's one of the football coaches and star football players guess it's the old boys network...	kerry-is-my-prez	Jan 2013	#218
For anyone still confused about what this OP is about...	TeeYiYi	Jan 2013	#130
It's no wonder where those boys got the idea	Kooljas	Jan 2013	#131
Ahh the old video game, Rock and Roll excuse.	trumad	Jan 2013	#142
video games/movies are fake, porn is real...	joelbny	Jan 2013	#212
You don't think mass media plays a part in molding society?	Kooljas	Jan 2013	#224
What kind of fantasy world do I inhabit?	trumad	Jan 2013	#227
Parents	Donfini	Jan 2013	#181
"worry about being the kids best friend" so true. i told kids years ago, i am not here to be your	seabeyond	Jan 2013	#184
+1	Go Vols	Jan 2013	#215
this football coach allowed the rapist to continue playing after video exposed the entire event	No Compromise	Jan 2013	#223
Not a surprise. We need to get at the root of this problem tho...	Taverner	Jan 2013	#225
You are absolutely correct	riverbendviewgal	Jan 2013	#226