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In the discussion thread: Only a real coward would want to use the kind of guns the NRA says are for hunting. nt [View all]

Response to Fumesucker (Reply #61)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:46 AM

hack89 (21,219 posts)

62. Look at just accidental gun deaths

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and the problem is significantly diminished.

Looking at the causes of death due to unintentional injuries from 1999 to 2007, the CDC has firearms at number 14 - responsible for 0.7% of the total.

Car accidents accounted for 39%
Poisoning 18%
Falls 16%
Suffocation 4.6%
Drowning 3.1%

http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe?_service=v8prod&_server=app-v-ehip-wisq.cdc.gov&_port=5081&_sessionid=ARH6hbOvM52&_program=wisqars.details10.sas&_service=&type=U&prtfmt=STANDARD&age1=1&age2=85&agegp=1-85&deaths=978574&_debug=0&lcdfmt=customðnicty=0&ranking=10&deathtle=Death

it's rather unlikely that you are going to negligently kill someone with your bare hands.

Hands and feet kill more people than rifles so actually it is very likely. A fight gets out of hand and a fatal blow is struck.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls

Want to reduce gun deaths? Hammer habitual violent criminals to reduce crime and provide mental health care to reduce suicides. Quite fixating on objects and concentrate on root causes.

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87 replies	Author	Time	Post
Only a real coward would want to use the kind of guns the NRA says are for hunting. nt [View all]	kelliekat44	Jan 2013	OP
Apparently you hate guns. Do you believe they create crime? nt	jody	Jan 2013	#1
they certainly facilitate it.	spanone	Jan 2013	#2
OK but what guns do you hate and why? nt	jody	Jan 2013	#4
What guns do you love and why?	neverforget	Jan 2013	#12
And they can prevent it	ProgressiveProfessor	Jan 2013	#6
Sure they can, but I'm betting they enable as many, if not more, than they stop. nt	white_wolf	Jan 2013	#9
I think guns are capable of creating crime and in some cases they do	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#3
OK but what guns do you hate and why? nt	jody	Jan 2013	#5
I don't hate any inanimate object and try not to hate anyone	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#11
I think	Berserker	Jan 2013	#10
Rapists wear condoms?	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#14
How else do they not leave DNA evidence?	hack89	Jan 2013	#48
So condoms make negligent rape common?	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#49
They makes it easier for those predisposed to rape or kill	hack89	Jan 2013	#52
So the young woman was predisposed to kill her brother?	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#57
I distinguish between crimes and accidents	hack89	Jan 2013	#58
Negligent manslaughter carries no criminal penalties?	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#59
And there are many things that can kill when used in a negligent manner.	hack89	Jan 2013	#60
Nuclear weapons used negligently can kill	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#61
Look at just accidental gun deaths	hack89	Jan 2013	#62
You still are trying desperately to equate non negligent acts with negligent ones	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#63
Is there such a thing as a non-negligent gun accident that kills someone?	hack89	Jan 2013	#65
Negligent nuclear weapons use has never killed anyone	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#66
The issue with nukes is not negligent use - it is malicious deliberate use. Just like with guns. nt	hack89	Jan 2013	#67
I already pointed out that nuclear weapons have killed far fewer people than guns	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#68
When a single gun can kill ten million people in a second let me know.	hack89	Jan 2013	#69
Only a matter of degree and not of kind between guns and nukes	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#70
It is very much a matter of kind	hack89	Jan 2013	#71
Hand grenades are not crew served weapons and nukes don't have to be	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#72
You will always pick a number that justifies draconian gun control laws	hack89	Jan 2013	#73
And you will always pick a number that allows for casual mass slaughter	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#74
Hand grenades are not protected by the 2A	hack89	Jan 2013	#75
The Constitution does not mention "guns", it uses the more general term "arms"	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#80
We have already discussed this	hack89	Jan 2013	#81
Agree and the Heller opinion said:	jody	Jan 2013	#85
Condoms were invented to prevent unwanted pregnancy	duhneece	Jan 2013	#78
So you hate all guns? Of every kind? Because that lady killed her brother with one? How 'bout knives	Honeycombe8	Jan 2013	#19
If the gun wasn't there, would the young man now be dead of a gunshot wound inflicted by his sister?	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#22
If the kitchen knives weren't there, would that teen's mother still be alive?	Honeycombe8	Jan 2013	#43
English? Do you speak it?	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#44
NO doubt about that	madokie	Jan 2013	#47
How does a gun "create" crime?	Puzzledtraveller	Jan 2013	#50
Negligent manslaughter is not a crime?	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#51
And you love 'em	nadinbrzezinski	Jan 2013	#7
That's a huge stretch.	white_wolf	Jan 2013	#8
I can infer anything I wish. OP author can reply or not. nt	jody	Jan 2013	#13
And the rest of us are free to point and laugh when you make a laughable inference	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#16
At least readers know "3. I think guns are capable of creating crime". FBI reports for 2010	jody	Jan 2013	#23
This is my rifle, this is my gun, this is for shooting, this is for fun	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#24
Fumesucker OP linked guns with hunting. True I and others do use handguns for hunting but that's a	jody	Jan 2013	#26
I know that violence including gun crime has been declining steadily for some time now	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#31
OK, we can concentrate on handguns since they are used in about 50% of murders.	jody	Jan 2013	#34
I'm reminded of an old Yakov Smirnoff joke	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#40
LOL those who want to ban all firearms attack those who want no bans and vice versa.	jody	Jan 2013	#84
Heh! The gun coward rings in!	madinmaryland	Jan 2013	#15
Bullshit premise.	Occulus	Jan 2013	#17
Yes I know they create crime by making evil things possible, even glamorous in a sick way	MightyMopar	Jan 2013	#53
Looks like an NRA talking point to me.	rrneck	Jan 2013	#64
Why?? Wouldn't much depend on what they want to use them for?	jmg257	Jan 2013	#18
Want to see pics of my penis?	-..__...	Jan 2013	#20
Please proceed, governor n/t	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#25
Message deleted by the DU Administrators	-..__...	Jan 2013	#27
that's fucked up you'd post that man....	dionysus	Jan 2013	#29
Relax... "man"...	-..__...	Jan 2013	#33
Well that POS got shown the door.	JTFrog	Jan 2013	#86
:)	dionysus	Jan 2013	#87
Mitt? Is that you?	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#32
The magic underwear chaffs my shaft.	-..__...	Jan 2013	#35
You sure that's not caused by the pistols in your pockets?	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#36
I'm generally opposed to "Mexican carry" for the obvious flaws...	-..__...	Jan 2013	#37
Well, in your case it wouldn't make all that much difference anyway	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#39
Aim small... miss small.	-..__...	Jan 2013	#41
They must be afraid of getting gored by a buck, moose or wild hog!	Auntie Bush	Jan 2013	#21
Nonsense.	MrSlayer	Jan 2013	#28
WTF kind of guns are those?	cliffordu	Jan 2013	#30
Clearly a coward.	Marinedem	Jan 2013	#38
Don't worry , most won't even know or care who he is .	former-republican	Jan 2013	#42
No, a real coward bases it all in hunting.	flvegan	Jan 2013	#45
I've always said that if you want to impress with your hunting prowess,	Egalitarian Thug	Jan 2013	#46
I am stupider for having read this thread.	Atman	Jan 2013	#54
Very well said! nt	Pholus	Jan 2013	#55
I'm only replying because I want reply	duhneece	Jan 2013	#83
About 80% of gun owners don't hunt. N/T	GreenStormCloud	Jan 2013	#56
coward or worse	samsingh	Jan 2013	#76
I find hunting with high powered weapons to be cowardice too..	and-justice-for-all	Jan 2013	#77
You and your fancy bows and arrows..	X_Digger	Jan 2013	#79
How is it cowardly? nt	ZombieHorde	Jan 2013	#82

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