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In reply to the discussion: Record Gun Sales in December [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)51. For some reason you reminded me of Galileo Galilei's struggle with the Catholic Church. ...
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 10, 2007
1992: Catholic Church apologizes to Galileo, who died in 1642
In 1610, Century Italian astronomer/mathematician/inventor Galileo Galilei used a a telescope he built to observe the solar system, and deduced that the planets orbit the sun, not the earth.
This contradicted Church teachings, and some of the clergy accused Galileo of heresy. One friar went to the Inquisition, the Church court that investigated charges of heresy, and formally accused Galileo. (In 1600, a man named Giordano Bruno was convicted of being a heretic for believing that the earth moved around the Sun, and that there were many planets throughout the universe where life existed. Bruno was burnt to death.)
Galileo moved on to other projects. He started writing about ocean tides, but instead of writing a scientific paper, he found it much more interesting to have an imaginary conversation among three fictional characters. One character, who would support Galileo's side of the argument, was brilliant. Another character would be open to either side of the argument. The final character, named Simplicio, was dogmatic and foolish, representing all of Galileo's enemies who ignored any evidence that Galileo was right. Soon, Galileo wrote up a similar dialogue called "Dialogue on the Two Great Systems of the World." This book talked about the Copernican system. ...emphasis added
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The Church eventually lifted the ban on Galileo's Dialogue in 1822, when it was common knowledge that the Earth was not the center of the Universe. Still later, there were statements by the Vatican Council in the early 1960's and in 1979 that implied that Galileo was pardoned, and that he had suffered at the hands of the Church. Finally, in 1992, three years after Galileo Galilei's namesake spacecraft had been launched on its way to Jupiter, the Vatican formally and publicly cleared Galileo of any wrongdoing.
http://4thefirsttime.blogspot.com/2007/09/1992-catholic-church-apologizes-to.html?m=1
Now admittedly the NRA does publish false or misleading propaganda and so do the VPC and the Brady Campaign. Obviously some people will chose to accept the NRA view or the Brady view without question. Such people remind my of Galileo's character Simplicio.
I try to open to all sides of an discussion that I have an interest in. I am willing to take the time to do my own research. While both sides of the gun control debate have excellent points to make to support their view, I personally feel the stronger position is with those who support gun rights. I often look at facts and statistics published by the FBI and the DOJ Bureau of Justice Statistics and use those in my posts to backup my argument. Often they have been labeled as "NRA talking points" by some Simplicos on the gun control side.
Now perhaps I am wrong and the long tentacles of the NRA of the NRA have reached into the NRA and the DOJ and caused false statistics to be published. Somehow I doubt this.
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Hoyt
Jan 2013
#2
I suspect that you label any fact or statistic that disproves your view that all firearms ...
spin
Jan 2013
#25
For some reason you reminded me of Galileo Galilei's struggle with the Catholic Church. ...
spin
Jan 2013
#51
It has amazed me recently just how often responsible gun owners have been insulted ...
spin
Jan 2013
#15
I will agree that violent crime has decreased to levels last seen in the late 60s. ...
spin
Jan 2013
#53
i personally prefer thirty round mags. i can usually count the rounds and thirty is the number that
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Jan 2013
#33
Check out the price of .223 or 5.56 ammo , some places are asking $900 for 1k rounds
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Jan 2013
#42
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DainBramaged
Jan 2013
#32