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51. For some reason you reminded me of Galileo Galilei's struggle with the Catholic Church. ...
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:37 PM
Jan 2013
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 10, 2007

1992: Catholic Church apologizes to Galileo, who died in 1642

In 1610, Century Italian astronomer/mathematician/inventor Galileo Galilei used a a telescope he built to observe the solar system, and deduced that the planets orbit the sun, not the earth.

This contradicted Church teachings, and some of the clergy accused Galileo of heresy. One friar went to the Inquisition, the Church court that investigated charges of heresy, and formally accused Galileo. (In 1600, a man named Giordano Bruno was convicted of being a heretic for believing that the earth moved around the Sun, and that there were many planets throughout the universe where life existed. Bruno was burnt to death.)

Galileo moved on to other projects. He started writing about ocean tides, but instead of writing a scientific paper, he found it much more interesting to have an imaginary conversation among three fictional characters. One character, who would support Galileo's side of the argument, was brilliant. Another character would be open to either side of the argument. The final character, named Simplicio, was dogmatic and foolish, representing all of Galileo's enemies who ignored any evidence that Galileo was right. Soon, Galileo wrote up a similar dialogue called "Dialogue on the Two Great Systems of the World." This book talked about the Copernican system. ...emphasis added

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The Church eventually lifted the ban on Galileo's Dialogue in 1822, when it was common knowledge that the Earth was not the center of the Universe. Still later, there were statements by the Vatican Council in the early 1960's and in 1979 that implied that Galileo was pardoned, and that he had suffered at the hands of the Church. Finally, in 1992, three years after Galileo Galilei's namesake spacecraft had been launched on its way to Jupiter, the Vatican formally and publicly cleared Galileo of any wrongdoing.
http://4thefirsttime.blogspot.com/2007/09/1992-catholic-church-apologizes-to.html?m=1


Now admittedly the NRA does publish false or misleading propaganda and so do the VPC and the Brady Campaign. Obviously some people will chose to accept the NRA view or the Brady view without question. Such people remind my of Galileo's character Simplicio.

I try to open to all sides of an discussion that I have an interest in. I am willing to take the time to do my own research. While both sides of the gun control debate have excellent points to make to support their view, I personally feel the stronger position is with those who support gun rights. I often look at facts and statistics published by the FBI and the DOJ Bureau of Justice Statistics and use those in my posts to backup my argument. Often they have been labeled as "NRA talking points" by some Simplicos on the gun control side.

Now perhaps I am wrong and the long tentacles of the NRA of the NRA have reached into the NRA and the DOJ and caused false statistics to be published. Somehow I doubt this.
Record Gun Sales in December [View all] former-republican Jan 2013 OP
Lotsa dickless paranoid whackjobs out there. nt onehandle Jan 2013 #1
There sure are. sylvi Jan 2013 #36
Yes we know, gun cultists in DU Gungeon are cheering/celebrating more guns in more places. Hoyt Jan 2013 #2
Not necessarily. ... spin Jan 2013 #9
Spin, the armed security is at football games because gun cultists turn bad. Hoyt Jan 2013 #14
I actually agree. ... spin Jan 2013 #21
To make your bad habits easy for you, we have to accept the bad outcomes. Hoyt Jan 2013 #22
Does the Constitution say ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #37
Well REGULATED - easy to understand. Hoyt Jan 2013 #38
Very Easy ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #39
The dissent is the essence of Heller. Rest is BS from justices needing a gun Hoyt Jan 2013 #41
The dissent isn't the law of the land. NickB79 Jan 2013 #61
Were their 4 dissenting Justices in the R v Wade decision? Don't think so. Hoyt Jan 2013 #63
Rights reteachinwi Jan 2013 #43
I promise to keep my gun out from under your nose ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #45
Thanks to the mass hysteria created by the RW Media Hatemongers. lpbk2713 Jan 2013 #3
Welcome to Idiocracy. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #4
The arms industry is laughing all the way to the bank. neverforget Jan 2013 #5
Aren't background checks a good thing? regjoe Jan 2013 #6
ain't that america. spanone Jan 2013 #7
Meanwhile, the gun nuts are having uncontrollable orgasms. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2013 #8
Gee, I must have missed something great. ... spin Jan 2013 #10
Forget it - just more hate speech from the peanut gallery derby378 Jan 2013 #11
The Flowers & their Talking Points bongbong Jan 2013 #12
I suspect that you label any fact or statistic that disproves your view that all firearms ... spin Jan 2013 #25
And right out of the Brady Campaign playbook, too derby378 Jan 2013 #47
LOL bongbong Jan 2013 #50
For some reason you reminded me of Galileo Galilei's struggle with the Catholic Church. ... spin Jan 2013 #51
Equivalency bongbong Jan 2013 #58
False information from both sides might cause deaths. ... spin Jan 2013 #60
It has amazed me recently just how often responsible gun owners have been insulted ... spin Jan 2013 #15
Yet, you strap one on to venture out into public. Hoyt Jan 2013 #16
Actually i never strap one on. ... spin Jan 2013 #23
Spin, I had similar upbringing. But times have really changed, perhaps it's tine Hoyt Jan 2013 #26
I will agree that violent crime has decreased to levels last seen in the late 60s. ... spin Jan 2013 #53
Sadly, time after time, those you deem "responsible" become irresponsible. Hoyt Jan 2013 #54
When you are dealing with any sample group of 80,000,000 people you will ... spin Jan 2013 #56
I do get a tiny shiver ... holdencaufield Jan 2013 #40
I am still trying to get the "perfect target" ... spin Jan 2013 #55
Wow, what a intelligent response! I learned a lot from it! n-t Logical Jan 2013 #13
Oh happy happy joy joy..... AnOhioan Jan 2013 #17
Frontlash. Marinedem Jan 2013 #18
Congratulations, grab nuts. sylvi Jan 2013 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jan 2013 #20
Gun as a Christmas Present HockeyMom Jan 2013 #29
different courses for different horses and all that loli phabay Jan 2013 #34
yep its a pain in the butt i cant find glock magazines locally anywhere loli phabay Jan 2013 #24
picked up an Colt M4 carbine, I was one of those checks Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #27
Anything more than 20 screws up the weight, at least for me Recursion Jan 2013 #28
The only reason I've ever considered buying a 20+ rd mag Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #44
Does MD still ban clove cigarettes? Recursion Jan 2013 #46
Apparently so! Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #48
Ooh! I know why that last one is there Recursion Jan 2013 #49
i personally prefer thirty round mags. i can usually count the rounds and thirty is the number that loli phabay Jan 2013 #33
Check out the price of .223 or 5.56 ammo , some places are asking $900 for 1k rounds former-republican Jan 2013 #42
Why... it's enough to give a Bradyite a bug-eyed brain aneurysm! -..__... Jan 2013 #30
Every time there's a gun massacre, there's a run on guns sakabatou Jan 2013 #31
Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz, Gunz DainBramaged Jan 2013 #32
What's the matter, don't you support your fellow UAW members? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #59
God you really are grasping at straws, er barrels aren't you? DainBramaged Jan 2013 #65
Nice thread. Turned in to gun porn. Kingofalldems Jan 2013 #35
Until gun threads are forced back into RKBA hack89 Jan 2013 #57
And we will have record sales again nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #52
20 million guns sold in 2012 alone NickB79 Jan 2013 #62
this whole country has gone mad billbailey19448jj Jan 2013 #64
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