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70. Factual accuracy is strictly optional for gun control advocates...

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Wed Jan 2, 2013, 05:56 PM

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wowsers. this emphatically refutes the 'need a gun to stop a bad guy' thing. how did i miss this?!? [View all] farminator3000 Jan 2013 OP

But they were semi-auto barstools intaglio Jan 2013 #1

It's one of your options in this kind of scenario NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #2

This was ruined for me by its repeated use of hysterical, screaming women falling CTyankee Jan 2013 #5

I didn't make it. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #6

not blaming you. I blame the makers of the video. Isn't it galling to see this, with CTyankee Jan 2013 #7

Maybe if it's made somewhere else. NutmegYankee Jan 2013 #8

Maybe. but, god, I get tired of seeing this same old shit over and over again. CTyankee Jan 2013 #9

I agree. nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #30

There is no defense against the force of will. Robb Jan 2013 #3

This is wisdom. Brickbat Jan 2013 #10

wise, you are... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #12

"order of Omega", huh? Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #13

I'm pretty sure 135grains @ 1600fps stops a burgler OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #14

so does a dog. or an alarm. or police locks. or a motion detector. or a .22 long farminator3000 Jan 2013 #15

Nor are they mutually exclusive! OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #17

maybe a different neighborhood would be more relaxing? also, pepper spray, body armor, chainmail? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #18

Ooooh, gun porn! JoeBlowToo Jan 2013 #82

Just have your people send the keyboard-cleaning bill to my people. nt OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #97

Sorry but my lust is directed toward "soft targets" JoeBlowToo Jan 2013 #108

That's missing the point. Robb Jan 2013 #16

Guns Don't Stop Bad Guys, People Stop Bad Guys jberryhill Jan 2013 #27

And the shotgun was hung by its barrels until pronounced dead! Squatter Jan 2013 #90

You're gone soon. Enjoy it while you've got it nt MrScorpio Jan 2013 #91

He's damn lucky he hit the guy with a barstool. Bake Jan 2013 #69

Looks like he was lucky twice. Robb Jan 2013 #85

AP? Bad choice for anti-personnel. Use a JHP. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #21

Were you a French World War I general in another life? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #59

Or against people who don't give a damn if they live or not Warpy Jan 2013 #107

i found this when i was posting THIS!! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #4

Glad he didn't pull out a weapon and spray bullets everywhere n/t mokawanis Jan 2013 #11

What makes you think that a legally armed citizen would spray bullets everywhere? GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #19

it happens every day? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #26

Guns are better for defense in the home...mano a mano. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #33

Then show me an incident of a CCWer spraying bullets. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #45

tab still open took 30 seconds farminator3000 Jan 2013 #57

Fail-No CCW holder in that, but a mall ninja. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #60

nothing mentioned about a mall. what are you reading. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #76

You've not heard the term "Mall ninja" before? I thought you were knowledgable about guns... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #98

I don't see where a CCWer srayed bullets all over the place. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #65

that would be the armed guard. don't you guys read? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #80

The link does not say who fired the shots that missed. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #87

they probably both had permits. they probably both missed. they probably didn't need to be shooting farminator3000 Jan 2013 #103

The guard had to have a permit, in WA. The other guy would have been illegal. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #110

i'm not saying you can't defend yourself, i'm saying you don't need a military rifle to do it farminator3000 Jan 2013 #105

That's one innocent hit. Still not a spray of bullets. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #109

see #112 farminator3000 Jan 2013 #113

Yes, he was a hero, no doubt about that. But he was also lucky. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #20

maybe he was lucky he DIDN'T have a gun, and didn't become a target, and was able to do something farminator3000 Jan 2013 #23

The guards gun was in open view, and he was in uniform. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #24

see #26. the guard confronted the guy and he started shooting. he got in the guys face. not a target farminator3000 Jan 2013 #28

i don't only go to bars. unfortunately. but farminator3000 Jan 2013 #32

Went to bank today. Didn't shoot anybody. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #46

i stopped at the word texas. i'm sure they are very neutral and unbaised on the subject of guns, but farminator3000 Jan 2013 #55

Your anecdotes are more reliable than published statistics? It really *is* a religious... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #62

IOW, don't bother you with facts, your mind is made up. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #66

one "fact" from one state just doesn't mean a thing... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #75

Texas posts a collection of a year's results of 525,000 CHLers. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #84

i'd go with harvard over you, myself, thanks. texas data? right. interpreted by you? ha! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #92

The State of Florida has *also* refuted what you have claimed: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #99

Why are you mo ing the goalposts? Jenoch Jan 2013 #67

we resolved that in #49 farminator3000 Jan 2013 #74

B.S. You have not been able to make any point. Jenoch Jan 2013 #89

you are totally confused- the hyperbole is not mine- i'm 110% right that the NRA is full o'crap farminator3000 Jan 2013 #93

Then go on to Florida- you won't like those numbers, either: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #100

stop posting jumbled up batches of number that don't mean anything farminator3000 Jan 2013 #101

Yeah, yeah, anecdotes are better than verifiable statistics to you. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #111

lucky you. gotta be ready. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #112

You falsely assume all of those shooting were by legal gun owners. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #114

We need to put sarisataka Jan 2013 #22

I would be willing to bet that 90% of those owners of semi automatic weapons politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2013 #25

he did a hell of a job with the tools available to him. ileus Jan 2013 #29

I think that's it. He used the best that was available to him. It doesn't mean that something else.. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #35

What this terrible shooting proved Jenoch Jan 2013 #31

typing a few sentences doesn't prove anything unless you were there when it happened farminator3000 Jan 2013 #34

If you are correct, then your logic alao Jenoch Jan 2013 #36

i am correct and that makes no sense. OP was 'no comment'. why are you trying to belittle the guy? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #37

Why are you dealing Jenoch Jan 2013 #39

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," LaPierre said. ..... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #40

LaPierre does not speak for me. Jenoch Jan 2013 #44

i am glad to hear that! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #49

Clarity on these threads is always helpful. Jenoch Jan 2013 #50

MAYBE... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #41

MAYBE the good guy oversleeps that day Jenoch Jan 2013 #42

Please show where that has happened. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #47

ok! took less than 5 minutes. are you lazy? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #51

But only cops can save us.. SQUEE Jan 2013 #61

i'm more comfortable with cops than vigilantes, thanks. why trust any joe off the street? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #72

Far from a vigilante, or just any Joe off the street. SQUEE Jan 2013 #86

Not vigilantes. Please use language correctly. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #88

a guy going around with a gun looking for trouble sounds pretty lame to me, thanks. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #94

Not looking for trouble. Just ready if it comes to me. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #95

That was cop on cop. I asked for a CCWer. N/T GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #64

Factual accuracy is strictly optional for gun control advocates... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #70

that was EXACTLY what you asked for. farminator3000 Jan 2013 #73

Attempts by armed citizens to stop shooters are rare. At least two such attempts in recent years farminator3000 Jan 2013 #38

Show what is wrong with these. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #48

ok. i have done so. stop wasting my time, please farminator3000 Jan 2013 #53

That's the NRA-bots' M.O. bongbong Jan 2013 #56

at least i showed him! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #58

They were still civilians... jp76 Jan 2013 #63

Responses. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #68

if that's what you want to call them, go ahead... farminator3000 Jan 2013 #71

I'm opposed to open carry rrneck Jan 2013 #43

Stools don't save people. People save people. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #52

ewwww! that's just gross! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #54

You don't need a gun if you have a Donk ThoughtCriminal Jan 2013 #77

Throwing stool at people is kind of simian slackmaster Jan 2013 #78

"Records reveal that he legally acquired at least six weapons in the years before his death." Walk away Jan 2013 #79

Personally, I recommend throwing cats. Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #81

anyone who adheres to the wisdom of a bumper-sticker... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #83

Snork! -..__... Jan 2013 #96

Frail elderly ladies have saved the day too. Don't need armed cowboys jumping in. Hoyt Jan 2013 #102

and NOT SO frail..check this out! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #104

God bless that fine lady. Applause indeed. Hoyt Jan 2013 #106