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redgreenandblue

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55. Very interesting.
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 02:12 PM
Jan 2013

So basically a counter-intuitive conclusion from this graph can be that there is in fact a "societal" contribution to the gun problem of the USA that is unrelated to gun possession itself.

Thanks for the inane advice billh58 Dec 2012 #1
The statistics twisting isn't isolated pipoman Dec 2012 #2
Still trying to ascribe that chart to Brady, huh? Scuba Jan 2013 #46
I can ascribe it to anyone I wish. pipoman Jan 2013 #61
Yes, proper use of statistical data is "inane." Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #28
Your post is a long-winded exercise in willful ignorance. Robb Dec 2012 #3
Have you comprehended my post? redgreenandblue Dec 2012 #4
plot this? farminator3000 Jan 2013 #57
Actually, 10,000 gun deaths is 10,000 more than nothing. Iggo Dec 2012 #5
Good point, one that the gun culture misses. Hoyt Dec 2012 #11
Sometimes absolute numbers are interesting and revealing in and of themselves Fumesucker Dec 2012 #6
When something scales up with system size, you need to divide by system size. redgreenandblue Dec 2012 #8
You said the numbers always had to divide by population Fumesucker Dec 2012 #12
"Argumentum ad Logicam" i.e. "Fallacist's Fallacy" redgreenandblue Dec 2012 #16
So you assumed that a group of mostly laymen would have your grasp of statistics immediately Fumesucker Dec 2012 #17
Exactly like the NRA assumes billh58 Dec 2012 #20
There may be a relationship, and I am not in fact claiming that America doesn't have a gun problem. redgreenandblue Dec 2012 #21
No... LP2K12 Dec 2012 #7
Gun huggers hate absolute numbers. 99Forever Dec 2012 #9
Here's an easy enough rule...IF there were no guns, there could be no gun violence. jmg257 Dec 2012 #10
The graph you are looking for is this one: redgreenandblue Dec 2012 #13
Thanks! nt jmg257 Dec 2012 #14
I do love that chart Recursion Dec 2012 #19
Very interesting. redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #55
Linear Corr is too subjective AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #29
It can be revealing despite its limitations Recursion Jan 2013 #58
Excellent post.... ileus Dec 2012 #15
What else do guns do to people? nt Robyn66 Dec 2012 #43
Guns don't do anything to people? ileus Dec 2012 #44
So the gun has nothing to do with people being shot? Robyn66 Jan 2013 #47
OK. DanTex Dec 2012 #18
+1000 billh58 Dec 2012 #22
Thanks. redgreenandblue Dec 2012 #23
I think the comparison to Vietnam is not entirely valid. redgreenandblue Dec 2012 #24
I was there, and you're wrong. billh58 Dec 2012 #30
I think you read my post the wrong way. redgreenandblue Dec 2012 #38
Some fair points, but... DanTex Dec 2012 #32
Great post. Thank you. nt Chorophyll Dec 2012 #34
that's more than OK! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #50
I have a problem with this whole discussion Robyn66 Dec 2012 #25
Statistics are cold, but they are what matters when thinking about policy. redgreenandblue Dec 2012 #26
Then why do you need to use statistics Robyn66 Dec 2012 #33
Because manipulated billh58 Dec 2012 #35
It is often in a person's best interest to be treated as a statistic. redgreenandblue Dec 2012 #39
But you ARE arguing in opposition to billh58 Dec 2012 #42
Can you argue a point without resorting to ad hominem attacks? redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #52
Of course your billh58 Jan 2013 #56
Because "common sense" can lead to wrong conclusions. redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #54
That's great when you arent talking about lives being lost. (nt) Robyn66 Jan 2013 #60
You are kidding, right? redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #64
Ok I give up Robyn66 Jan 2013 #68
I consider any life lost a tragedy. redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #69
Why is per capita so critical, when the U.S. is 10th highest in the world? DirkGently Dec 2012 #27
There you go. billh58 Dec 2012 #31
Among "developed" nations, we are the bottom of the barrel in more ways than one. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #36
Unfortunately, too true. billh58 Dec 2012 #40
I don't think the per capita helps you here dsc Dec 2012 #37
I fear the other driver more than any terrorist or gun, plane crash, robber, home invaders, police, L0oniX Dec 2012 #41
"The fact that over ten thousand people die from guns each year contains zero usable information." Scuba Jan 2013 #45
There is a disturbing trend on this site Robyn66 Jan 2013 #49
Actually, the 2nd Amendment "has nothing to do with hunting"..n/t pipoman Jan 2013 #62
Worst offender: Michael Moore. BULLSHIT spanone Jan 2013 #48
Only those supporting control of firearms are under this kind of scrutiny? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #51
No. The arguments in favor of gun posession should face the same scrutiny. redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #53
Good! I would love to see.... Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #59
Or the number of billh58 Jan 2013 #63
0.0000000008.25 % of US population killed in Sandy Hook Elementary School Massacre. ehrenfeucht games Jan 2013 #65
No, because this is again an incorrect way to argue with statistics. redgreenandblue Jan 2013 #66
We could talk in absolute numbers. 20 children. 6 women. ehrenfeucht games Jan 2013 #67
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