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Fumesucker

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80. The point being that there are fewer overall jobs each time

Tue Jan 1, 2013, 12:41 AM

Jan 2013

With more people competing for the fewer jobs.

That is the entire point of automation and artificial intelligence, to replace people with computers and sensors/effectors of one sort or another.

The AI gets smarter and the effectors more capable on a continual basis, very few jobs are going to be safe from the inroads made by automation as it moves out of the factory floor and into more and more workplaces and doing ever higher level jobs.

Schooling is getting ever more expensive and the retraining cycle is getting ever shorter, at some point people simply don't have the money or the time to retrain once again, particularly given that wages in America have been flat since the early 1970's.

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Should there be a limit on how long one can receive unemployment benefits? [View all] kentuck Dec 2012 OP

We should turn it into a permanent dole, make it better. bemildred Dec 2012 #1

Right now there is a limit even with state and fed extension it can be exhaustd lunasun Dec 2012 #47

That's because employers pay for it, it needs to be a publicly funded program. nt bemildred Jan 2013 #110

3-6 months I think... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #2

It has never been enough to be a "permanent solution".. annabanana Dec 2012 #17

I've known several... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #31

sure mercuryblues Dec 2012 #66

Please do share Kennah Jan 2013 #107

Have you ever been unemployed in an economic downturn? Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #32

Exactly! It's still sucks out there and there are very, very, very few companies hiring! DearHeart Jan 2013 #96

Really? Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #106

Move... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #112

Spoken like a Republican. Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #114

It's a global economy... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #116

Correct, and we will now have to accept a minimum wage of $3.75 per hour... kentuck Jan 2013 #117

How? You've been unemployed for 6 months or more, where are you going to get the money to pick up Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #120

Reality! kentuck Jan 2013 #122

I wouldn't have limited my search in the first place ... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #125

You haven't answered the question. You assume some whole new 12 month living expense Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #127

Because moving is so easy for someone with no job or money arcane1 Jan 2013 #126

Drawing unemployment after you are dead should be discouraged Fumesucker Dec 2012 #3

Stop shipping our jobs overseas? Glassunion Dec 2012 #6

If only it were so simple Fumesucker Dec 2012 #12

If I were king for a day it would be that simple. Glassunion Dec 2012 #23

What are all the professional drivers going to do when trucks, buses and cars drive themselves? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #26

Buggy whip manufacturers out, mechanics and gas pump jockeys in. MADem Dec 2012 #57

The point being that there are fewer overall jobs each time Fumesucker Jan 2013 #80

While on unemployment, I was trying to retrain Kennah Jan 2013 #108

They will remain behind the wheel, to ensure a human can always take control if needed. Occulus Jan 2013 #98

Evidently you missed this part of my post, the first line after the title Fumesucker Jan 2013 #109

Perhaps we will have to re-visit the "guaranteed income" idea of a few decades ago? kentuck Dec 2012 #7

And because of that the Federal extension of UI is a form of stimulus. Walk away Dec 2012 #15

Depends on the unemployment rate jberryhill Dec 2012 #4

Haven't used it in a while, but have always been time limited bigbrother05 Dec 2012 #5

What do they do when they run out? kentuck Dec 2012 #10

Six extra months of paid benefits could mean keeping your house bigbrother05 Dec 2012 #34

No. I do think that UI should be abolished and a system of guaranteed income Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #8

For the first time in 33 years of work I rcvd unemployment benefits. ~$400 a week. Or 9k for 6 mos peacebird Dec 2012 #9

So, no limit on UI? kentuck Dec 2012 #14

Really? THAT is what you took from my message? That I made 80k? peacebird Dec 2012 #22

I guess the OP doesn't understand there is a MAXIMUM weekly benefit. duffyduff Jan 2013 #73

I think this is a good conversation. kentuck Jan 2013 #76

The 405 Club was established in NYC a few years ago Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #16

You would get that same $1600 a month if you had been making $25,000 per yr. Walk away Dec 2012 #28

Given that companies are still tax-incented to move jobs overseas Ruby the Liberal Dec 2012 #11

The higher the unemployment rate, the longer unemployment insurance should last. baldguy Dec 2012 #13

I agree Omaha Steve Dec 2012 #37

My opinion, is that this is not true. My Dad used to call it "collecting his pennies". juajen Dec 2012 #18

It does seem as though some people SheilaT Dec 2012 #19

Is that you Mitt? One of the 99 Dec 2012 #29

Really? No one? Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #42

Abso. Lutely. No. One. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #43

Bull. Shit. Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #44

You thought I was serious... cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #67

Being around here... Coyote_Tan Jan 2013 #74

Dull is an accurate description tabasco Jan 2013 #134

there are always people gaming the system Skittles Dec 2012 #58

Maybe 1 or 2% One of the 99 Dec 2012 #60

Well, I actually know one or two people who have SheilaT Jan 2013 #88

That's different that what the OP is talking about One of the 99 Jan 2013 #91

I'm on strike :) tama Jan 2013 #129

Is a person gaming the system to get unemployment benefits NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #68

The deafening silence in response to your post has NOT gone unnoticed. Occulus Jan 2013 #99

Well, one is responsible for the waste of one single life... daleanime Jan 2013 #111

Waste? tama Jan 2013 #130

Except the topic isn't CEO cheating, but SheilaT Jan 2013 #132

I was responding to the above post about people gaming the unemployment system NewJeffCT Jan 2013 #133

No. limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #20

I like your idea... kentuck Dec 2012 #24

In Florida they changed the name to "Remployment Assistance." rzemanfl Dec 2012 #35

That is why Obama wants stimulous money julian09 Dec 2012 #52

in canada we changed the name riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #62

That is B.S. they should pay for what they have wrought Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #21

Good ideas! kentuck Dec 2012 #25

The limit should flex with economic conditions. The economy now is still weak enough that bluestate10 Dec 2012 #27

Mixed. Igel Dec 2012 #30

Many do not understand, most maxed out at 79 weeks krawhitham Dec 2012 #33

(6 months) I will get flamed for this but there are people that stay on unemployment doc03 Dec 2012 #36

That sounds like a special circumstance One of the 99 Dec 2012 #39

Apparently you haven't heard of SUB. Our union contract gave us Suplimental doc03 Dec 2012 #45

So it is not government benefits One of the 99 Dec 2012 #59

No they are not government benefits I never said they were but it does support doc03 Dec 2012 #63

No it doesn't One of the 99 Jan 2013 #89

No it does not support the OP, neither in part nor in general Occulus Jan 2013 #101

Have it your way but if you worked a good paying job doc03 Jan 2013 #113

Unemployment benefits aren't that generous so those must have been some shitty paying jobs Fumesucker Dec 2012 #40

You are right I probably would have done the same thing. n/t doc03 Dec 2012 #46

They are also taxable. You get socked royal if you defer the taxes, and duffyduff Jan 2013 #72

You are NOT required to take just any job out there if you collect UI. duffyduff Jan 2013 #71

My industry has been decimated. MrSlayer Dec 2012 #38

Construction is going strong in Texas, especially in Houston TexasBushwhacker Jan 2013 #94

No one can make as much with unemployment One of the 99 Dec 2012 #41

You are wrong, I took home as much money as when I was working and doc03 Dec 2012 #54

But you're not talking about government benefits. One of the 99 Dec 2012 #61

Please read #63 n/t doc03 Dec 2012 #64

Which supports exactly what "One of the 99" contended. ret5hd Jan 2013 #79

No it doesn't, the OP said some people can get doc03 Jan 2013 #85

No it is not true. One of the 99 Jan 2013 #90

You're still wrong in post 63 jeff47 Jan 2013 #81

He refuses to acknowledge that except in passing... ret5hd Jan 2013 #86

+1 duffyduff Jan 2013 #77

I think there should be a guaranteed minimum income for everyone. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #48

I like the way you think Jackpine. kentuck Dec 2012 #50

mostly agree handmade34 Dec 2012 #56

Until there are jobs for everyone who wants one, no. Octafish Dec 2012 #49

a new WPA handmade34 Dec 2012 #51

Fiberoptics to every home would be the rural electricity access of the modern era Occulus Jan 2013 #103

Yes. eom Purveyor Dec 2012 #53

Well, there is--what states allow people to collect forever? nt MADem Dec 2012 #55

Six months. n/t taught_me_patience Dec 2012 #65

5 months should suffice jim1945tnnc Dec 2012 #69

You've got to be kidding. duffyduff Jan 2013 #70

Well, jim, if you were born in 1945, Lars39 Jan 2013 #75

I hope you never have to test out that limit. Scruffy Rumbler Jan 2013 #84

The only time I ever quailified for extended unemployment... Omaha Steve Jan 2013 #78

Me too Steve... kentuck Jan 2013 #82

There doesn't seem to be much help for people who are unemployed Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2013 #83

Some cities have better employment offices than others TexasBushwhacker Jan 2013 #118

I think any "limits" should be based on both age and "career" haele Jan 2013 #87

IMO, they should Laochtine Jan 2013 #92

They do stop when a person gets a job. You can't collect UI if you have a job. At least on the books JaneyVee Jan 2013 #93

I may have been a little weak on delivery Laochtine Jan 2013 #115

Yes Spirochete Jan 2013 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author DearHeart Jan 2013 #97

In my state Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2013 #100

Would a better solution be to put benefits in State hands? cbrer Jan 2013 #102

Limit should be tied to UI rate. 26wks minimum to 52wks maximum depending on UI. OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #104

I'd prefer an actual minimum guaranteed income Recursion Jan 2013 #105

As long as it takes to get a job that pays better than UI. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #119

Also, it is my understanding... kentuck Jan 2013 #121

All that I know of. Also, if you were self employed you don't get it. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #123

Here in Finland tama Jan 2013 #124

Not if one is seeking work. mzmolly Jan 2013 #128

It shouldn't have to be this way at all. Not to change your question or argue R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2013 #131