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Bake

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219. Hornady Critical Defense rounds are designed not to go through walls.
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 10:15 AM
Dec 2012

They flatten out better than a hollow-point round. In other words, not to be overly graphic, they make a small hole going in and a very large one coming out, if they come out at all. If you hit the intruder (and I'm a damn good shot now), he/she will no longer be a threat.

And there are no toddlers in my home.

Bake

None is coming to take your gun away nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #1
depends on what that civilian has to protect datasuspect Dec 2012 #3
If you need a gun that nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #4
some places in the US are like combat zones datasuspect Dec 2012 #5
So the civil war already started? nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #7
not saying that datasuspect Dec 2012 #14
So should ask the boss for the body armor under the tree nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #17
eh, you're just being a wiseass datasuspect Dec 2012 #20
I am being realistic nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #23
are you an Oath Keeper? riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #59
no, i'm an epithet hurler datasuspect Dec 2012 #64
THis? riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #68
bless your heart datasuspect Dec 2012 #70
I was thinking the exact same thing about you CatWoman Dec 2012 #194
Move to NYC - gun violence at all time low jpak Dec 2012 #29
y'all can have it datasuspect Dec 2012 #32
LOL, people from all countries and socio economic circumstances live within 30 minutes bettyellen Dec 2012 #53
it's yo thang datasuspect Dec 2012 #57
Your hood is showing. n/t ieoeja Dec 2012 #97
don't talk about my vagina datasuspect Dec 2012 #102
what does that mean? one_voice Jan 2013 #293
I hear a faint dog-whistle in that individual's posts. ieoeja Jan 2013 #312
i smell dogshit in your assessment datasuspect Jan 2013 #326
bull fucking shit.. frylock Dec 2012 #188
naif. datasuspect Jan 2013 #243
and your hyperbole is fucking bullshit.. frylock Jan 2013 #247
bless your heart datasuspect Jan 2013 #271
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #291
sounds like someone needs a nap and a bankie datasuspect Jan 2013 #325
Sounds like someone needs a reality check. Atman Jan 2013 #327
sounds like someone needs to look at who they are responding to datasuspect Jan 2013 #328
sounds like someone needs to fuck off frylock Jan 2013 #329
do you kiss your mother with that mouth? datasuspect Jan 2013 #330
Did you shoot your mother with that gun? Atman Jan 2013 #333
The words you used in your post make you sound as if you might be a paranoid loon. Atman Jan 2013 #334
it sounds like you and your sock puppet are confusing each other datasuspect Jan 2013 #336
Yes, data...after 10 years here and more the 25k posts, you nailed me... Atman Jan 2013 #338
or figure out what you're responding to datasuspect Jan 2013 #340
ALERT! ALERT! Atman Jan 2013 #342
did you get dropped on your head as a child? datasuspect Jan 2013 #343
the words you are using in your posts make you sound like a moron datasuspect Jan 2013 #337
Read Meta forum for some context... Atman Jan 2013 #339
And where in America would those places be... AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #226
So, we're NOT talking about the AR-15 then? AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #152
Since when is a semi-automatic Bushmaster XM-15 or Carbon 15 used in combat zones? S_B_Jackson Dec 2012 #221
They are nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #264
They are not. Straw Man Jan 2013 #266
They'll take whatever they can get nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #267
So not the "preferred weapon," then? Straw Man Jan 2013 #268
I guess i imagined the AR-15s nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #269
Please be specific. Straw Man Jan 2013 #295
Ok since you have a problem believing this nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #298
I have no problem believing any direct evidence. Straw Man Jan 2013 #301
Who said they were fully auto military versions? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #302
I said we can't tell. Straw Man Jan 2013 #306
Well, one argument from the NRA nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #307
I'm very disappointed ... Straw Man Jan 2013 #309
Your handle fits you well nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #310
I thought you were done already. Straw Man Jan 2013 #313
Yes nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #315
Thank you for the information. Straw Man Jan 2013 #318
Private market nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #320
Thank you for the links. Straw Man Jan 2013 #321
70% from straw purchases is not government stock nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #323
You should back off zappaman Jan 2013 #316
I'm not clairvoyant. How do I know if I am not told? Straw Man Jan 2013 #317
It's okay zappaman Jan 2013 #322
So WalMart is in the Black Market Weapons Trade now? Ghost in the Machine Jan 2013 #331
Is Walmart not running NICS background checks? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #332
Our own military doesn't even use full auto on their AR's anymore. Erose999 Jan 2013 #292
They use "burst-fire." Straw Man Jan 2013 #297
This message was self-deleted by its author Straw Man Jan 2013 #261
I have neither the desire nor the funds to buy a .223 assault rifle Bake Dec 2012 #15
Many here are just as fringe nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #21
Unlike gun nut, gun worshipper, small-penis, and the other terms Bake Dec 2012 #44
Once again nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #56
Well, Grayson is on here, right? Recursion Dec 2012 #228
You forgot "delicate flower" zappaman Dec 2012 #69
Most recently, here on DU, I was called a "gun nut cretin." Bake Dec 2012 #73
"gun nut cretin" zappaman Dec 2012 #78
I own guns and I have never been called that here AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #233
You've begged for the name calling to stop? Yet you continue to name call! DrewFlorida Dec 2012 #75
I don't disagree with ANY of your enumerated points Bake Dec 2012 #83
I never said I was offended, I simply asked for solutions rather than name calling. DrewFlorida Dec 2012 #118
We do often rationalize and predicate our own behavior by blaming others for the same thing LanternWaste Dec 2012 #125
Nice try, it most certainly is hypocrisy, in it's purest form. DrewFlorida Dec 2012 #145
Smear & vilification are SOPs by controllers in the Gungeon. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #241
+1000 nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #31
Neither is addressing them... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #39
Wait...You don't trust the police not to mess with you when law-abiding jmg257 Dec 2012 #54
I'm not a criminal. Bake Dec 2012 #60
Read it again...you would purposely become a criminal. jmg257 Dec 2012 #65
Castle doctrine nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #71
I understand Castle Doctrine pretty well. But what does that have to do with the OP jmg257 Dec 2012 #74
That's fantasy, the guns he has nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #80
Can anyone tell me what this reply is on about? zappaman Dec 2012 #82
I'm sorry, Nadin, I thought this was a discussion board. Bake Dec 2012 #87
Quite easy nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #88
then why do we have post after post here calling for gun bans? Bake Dec 2012 #171
None said you are not nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #176
Well - then I tend to think there is really no sense in coming up with (new) gun bans, if no one jmg257 Dec 2012 #90
Politics is the art of the possible nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #93
That would be nice... quakerboy Dec 2012 #157
I planted that seed nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #158
I dont think even then quakerboy Dec 2012 #162
Societies change nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #169
I suspect a lot will happen at the state level nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #258
See, people like jmg ... I don't trust. Bake Jan 2013 #253
Nobody is going to come get your pea shooter nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #256
I don't call a .357 magnum a "pea shooter" Bake Jan 2013 #270
It is lethal nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #272
Frankly, nadin, I couldn't agree more. Bake Jan 2013 #280
Hopefully it ends when 30,000 people every year stop dying jmg257 Jan 2013 #260
I'm neither fearful nor paranoid. Bake Jan 2013 #273
You are the one saying nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #275
And you just can't tell the truth. Bake Jan 2013 #278
I am telling you the truth nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #279
Yes, nadin, THEY ARE THE FRINGE. Not me. Bake Jan 2013 #281
The NRA is also fringe nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #282
I'm not now, nor have I ever been a member of the NRA. Bake Jan 2013 #284
You are repeating their talking points nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #286
SOME of the "talking points" may just be TRUE. Bake Jan 2013 #289
Which are true? nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #290
You have YET to respond to my one simple assertion. Bake Jan 2013 #296
Ane you did not call the cops after that attempt nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #299
Nadin, nadin, nadin ... READ Bake Jan 2013 #303
No you can't win nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #304
Question for you: Are there Democratic talking points? Gun control talking points? Bake Jan 2013 #305
Have a good life Bake nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #308
Dude, how's the headache? zappaman Jan 2013 #311
You're conflating two issues. Bake Jan 2013 #283
You call 911 and stand guard nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #285
It's OK - really. A little Fear is a good thing. jmg257 Jan 2013 #288
Kentucky, by the way, is a castle-doctrine state. Bake Dec 2012 #77
So the term "law abiding gun owner" is completely lost on you? jmg257 Dec 2012 #81
Feel free to come get it Bake Dec 2012 #92
No thanks - you can keep it, if the cops find out, they can deal with you. jmg257 Dec 2012 #94
If the cops find out what? zappaman Dec 2012 #99
No - we are talking about the hypothetical "I will keep my illegal guns if they are banned" jmg257 Dec 2012 #103
You and your family seem to be a magnet of bad luck AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #63
I don't think our experience is all that unusual. Bake Dec 2012 #95
It's very unsual Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #234
"Depend on the police? Not on my life. Hell, I don't even trust the police not to fuck with.... Walk away Dec 2012 #147
To be fair quakerboy Dec 2012 #159
People living in fear tabasco Dec 2012 #227
Contrary to what you may think, I don't live in fear. Bake Jan 2013 #252
Sounds like you and your family are magnets for trouble Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #232
There are all kinds of posts Jenoch Dec 2012 #84
How many of these folks nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #86
The chances of a complete gun ban are exactly TWO: Bake Dec 2012 #89
And you did not succeed in that counterpoint. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #96
Actually, he did. zappaman Dec 2012 #101
Three points to your statements: reformed_military Dec 2012 #230
What you had in your hand already worked!!!! Bad example pal. rustydog Jan 2013 #265
"gun-grabbers". tosh Dec 2012 #2
Oh, break my fucking heart! Bake Dec 2012 #61
The use of the phrase "gun-grabbers" does away with any enough Dec 2012 #6
+1000 abelenkpe Dec 2012 #8
I'm simply responding to what I've seen in DU GD Bake Dec 2012 #16
And you are not paying attention to the names tossed around in DU Bake Dec 2012 #47
Use of the term 'gun nut' does the same. Jenoch Dec 2012 #91
Use of the phrases gun nuts and gun grabbers immediately shuts down discussion Marrah_G Dec 2012 #9
I didn't start the name-calling. Bake Dec 2012 #18
But you did start it in this thread Marrah_G Dec 2012 #25
+1000 darkangel218 Dec 2012 #45
+ 100,000,000 Berserker Dec 2012 #10
Here's what gun lovers should consider Major Nikon Dec 2012 #11
Frankly, I don't care if you're "convinced" or not. Bake Dec 2012 #24
Then why did you post your OP? Major Nikon Dec 2012 #43
Knight in shining armor? Are you serious???? Bake Dec 2012 #48
"Some people just cannot stop the name-calling." Major Nikon Dec 2012 #85
Go read any of Taverner's multiple OPs, Bake Dec 2012 #98
I read yours instead Major Nikon Dec 2012 #104
Nice try, but no cigar. Bake Dec 2012 #111
There's a subtle difference you missed Major Nikon Dec 2012 #130
"Pussies" was one. Bake Dec 2012 #136
I don't remember authoring that one Major Nikon Dec 2012 #143
Plenty of threads here saying exactly that. zappaman Dec 2012 #109
IF --as a gun advocate--you DON'T understand marions ghost Jan 2013 #259
Sure I understand it. Bake Jan 2013 #274
Just don't tell me I can't protect my family. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #189
What is so fucking special about a shotgun? MicaelS Dec 2012 #105
The rounds from a shotgun don't tend to go through walls and find toddlers Major Nikon Dec 2012 #122
Bullshit. MicaelS Dec 2012 #127
I call bullshit on your bullshit Major Nikon Dec 2012 #141
stunning how many experts we have that don't seem to know fuckall.. frylock Dec 2012 #206
Who said anything about buckshot? Major Nikon Dec 2012 #208
Hornady Critical Defense rounds are designed not to go through walls. Bake Dec 2012 #219
No-one is talking about banning all firearms. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #12
Well put jberryhill Dec 2012 #22
No one, my ass! Bake Dec 2012 #26
No-one sensible anyway Spider Jerusalem Dec 2012 #33
The pistols you mentioned and others that Jenoch Dec 2012 #100
Here's a thought abelenkpe Dec 2012 #13
Yes, DUers are talking about taking people's guns. Bake Dec 2012 #28
Ok, how many of these DU'ers nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #35
+1000 darkangel218 Dec 2012 #50
Once again nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #174
gun grabbers??? you didn't buy a machine gun, did you? spanone Dec 2012 #19
Nope. Bought a Smith & Wesson .357 magnum revolver. Bake Dec 2012 #217
Gee thanks metalbot Jan 2013 #248
Wow - what a full story - all the NRA talking points covered jpak Dec 2012 #27
Louisville's Finest weren't too worried about fingerprints Bake Dec 2012 #37
Dude, with each post laundry_queen Dec 2012 #42
That's pretty much it. laundry_queen Dec 2012 #41
I sat up that night with a steel microphone stand!! Bake Dec 2012 #58
Goody for you. See, you didn't need a gun. laundry_queen Dec 2012 #66
What do you do when the perp breaks into your house while DrewFlorida Dec 2012 #108
You might have been able to identify the perp if you had outside surveillance cameras.. Tikki Dec 2012 #30
They might have been a lot of help to identify the perpetrator after the fact Bake Dec 2012 #40
But he didn't get in your home and he may still be out there harassing others or he could be... Tikki Dec 2012 #55
Had it been my wife instead of ME pushing on the door, he'd have been IN. Bake Dec 2012 #120
You said you didn't have a gun yet.... Tikki Dec 2012 #185
Maybe they'll do that now, but they enjoyed a false sense of security ecstatic Jan 2013 #246
I'm shocked I tell you! sasha031 Dec 2012 #34
putting people in the ignore list sasha031 Dec 2012 #52
Until the anti gun nuts experience this sort of thing they will not understand or sypathize. L0oniX Dec 2012 #36
You know, if this was not so laughable nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #38
..and when it is your kid or wife who gets shot by a criminal and ends up there? L0oniX Dec 2012 #46
Pick a lane nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #49
Until violent crime is 0 and holding... appal_jack Dec 2012 #153
It has fr ten years nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #156
Repeal of the 2nd Amendment isn't necessary Major Nikon Dec 2012 #190
i have experienced this type of stuff JI7 Dec 2012 #163
As have I obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #166
did you feel the need to go out and buy a gun ? JI7 Dec 2012 #170
Yes, I did obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #173
This is the same demagoguery that the NRA preaches Major Nikon Dec 2012 #187
Maybe you also consider the 2nd amendment to be an NRA talking point as well. L0oniX Dec 2012 #199
The way they interpret it I do Major Nikon Dec 2012 #205
I'm sorry you were terrorized like that. geomon666 Dec 2012 #51
Many of us have been "terorized" and hurt, not just the OP. darkangel218 Dec 2012 #62
And none wants to take your gun away nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #67
Actually, plenty do. zappaman Dec 2012 #72
!! 97% dionysus Jan 2013 #263
Nadin, stop saying "no one wants to take your gun away." Bake Dec 2012 #107
"Tell the truth." zappaman Dec 2012 #114
I love how your response to the first one was hidden by a jury Bake Dec 2012 #124
The truth is that the people who want nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #115
put that in an OP Bake Dec 2012 #180
Not gonna happen. zappaman Dec 2012 #182
I have told this to others as well nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #183
Then be the voice of reason. Put it in an OP. Bake Dec 2012 #195
I have nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #196
Not true zappaman Dec 2012 #197
DUers? janx Dec 2012 #116
Funny, I thought DU was a DISCUSSION forum. Bake Dec 2012 #126
how many posters are calling for an outright ban on guns? frylock Dec 2012 #200
How about a tactical semi-auto shotgun? MicaelS Dec 2012 #110
I love this NRA tactic. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #113
And your response isn't addressing the OP at all zappaman Dec 2012 #117
Got it, because it's semi-automatic it's evil. MicaelS Dec 2012 #121
Did I say that? Nope nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #123
No one wants to take our guns away... better Jan 2013 #249
Brass to tacks nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #250
When I was 7 months pregnant I was held up at gunpoint cali Dec 2012 #76
yeah, so? zappaman Dec 2012 #79
so the op made it sound like getting a gun was the only choice. cali Dec 2012 #112
I didn't read that into the OP at all. zappaman Dec 2012 #119
I was a branch manager at an S&L that was robbed at gunpoint. Bake Dec 2012 #131
In all of this discussion you have not offered one single solution to the gun problem! DrewFlorida Dec 2012 #144
+1 nt laundry_queen Dec 2012 #149
i have stated repeatedly that i would support several reasonable measures Bake Dec 2012 #186
Thank you, I would like to see people stay focussed on solutions. DrewFlorida Dec 2012 #198
everything you have posted is completely reasonable.. frylock Dec 2012 #203
I **have** offered reasonable solutions, repeatedly. Bake Dec 2012 #222
You have the worst luck. Bad shit just follows you around. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #207
And here's more bad luck Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #237
What the hell ever happened to alarm systems or a really big dog? Chorophyll Dec 2012 #106
That's your choice. Bake Dec 2012 #135
I'll tell you the truth: I live in an urban area. I have a lock on my door. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #139
Yep. laundry_queen Dec 2012 #148
Stuff like that happens all. The. Time. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #178
'Gun grabbers' is a fallacy, time to stop the madness. Rex Dec 2012 #128
See post #109 for a couple of examples zappaman Dec 2012 #133
Yes his pistol was one of my central points. Rex Dec 2012 #134
For home use against break-ins and robbery .... perhaps a Photo and a Sign and a night Light libdem4life Dec 2012 #129
I hope more was done than just purchasing a gun, benld74 Dec 2012 #132
Best is taking lessons imo. Rex Dec 2012 #138
I agree. Taking lessons is a must IMO zappaman Dec 2012 #140
Or work in law enforcement Rex Dec 2012 #146
I have lived all over the world and I have never once had an incident like that. Walk away Dec 2012 #137
Since it's never happened to you or anyone you know Bake Dec 2012 #216
I didn't say that I didn't believe you. I clearly said that if that had happened to me... Walk away Dec 2012 #223
people who say that are the people who have never done that. LanternWaste Dec 2012 #142
Sigh. Adding one more poster to my "ignore" list.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #150
I had a similar experience Jim Warren Dec 2012 #151
Excellent post...refuse to be a victim. ileus Dec 2012 #154
So, have you bought Turbineguy Dec 2012 #155
No one is talking about taking all guns nakocal Dec 2012 #160
You make good points Jim Warren Dec 2012 #165
Yes, they are obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #168
Point to me one DU'er nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #172
GOOOOAAAAALLLLpost moving there obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #175
That is the poster's specialty. zappaman Dec 2012 #179
Nope, I asked the OP the same exact thing nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #181
You are allowed to protect yourself from home invasion obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #161
I have Sherman A1 Dec 2012 #164
If I or my neighbors had that happen I would get a gun lunatica Dec 2012 #167
I'm sorry you were frightened Warpy Dec 2012 #177
You'd only sleep like a baby if you were a sociopath DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #184
The psychological effects on me are far fewer Indydem Dec 2012 #191
Spoken like somebody who's never nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #192
Spoken like somebody who's been in many shootouts. zappaman Dec 2012 #193
wth is this post meant to mean. the poster made a very honest and truthful post loli phabay Dec 2012 #214
Good for you. In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #201
If you object to having your perspective discounted DO NOT use prejudicial language, "gun grabbers" patrice Dec 2012 #202
Shotguns are better for home defense. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #204
Can you read? Bake Dec 2012 #215
Do you have more guns and do you carry in public? Hoyt Dec 2012 #209
Would you mind telling me where your screen name comes from? nolabear Dec 2012 #210
My screen name is my nickname, what my friends call me. Bake Dec 2012 #218
Thanks. And though I'm not awful fond of cops I've got a family full nolabear Dec 2012 #238
I can't speak for all the "GUN GRABBERS!!!" rustydog Dec 2012 #211
If you read on he has a 15 shot 9mm too. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #212
Nice overstatement there, Warren. Bake Dec 2012 #220
I'm all for getting a gun in those circumstances, but why a pistol? D23MIURG23 Dec 2012 #213
Sorry to express some skepticism, but you've had 3 home invasion attempts coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #224
Wouldn't you move? Who stays in a house after 3 attempted home invasions? Walk away Dec 2012 #225
As this thread amply illustrates (w/ reference to your last sentence). The psychology coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #229
But even allowing that science is ignore by "rational" folks everyday..... Walk away Dec 2012 #242
We did move not too long after the first one Bake Jan 2013 #254
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #231
Are you a psychic? LP2K12 Dec 2012 #240
I note that in all the incidents you cite that you did not use a gun, even to brandish it. maxsolomon Dec 2012 #235
How amazing you were able to survive such a horrendous attack tabasco Dec 2012 #236
Yeah, we were "lucky" that time. Bake Jan 2013 #255
"You gun-grabbers need to consider that" AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #239
"Gun-grabbers." Sigh. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #244
When someone or an ex threatens you ecstatic Jan 2013 #245
AMEN!!!!! AzSweet Jan 2013 #251
I am not for taking away guns dhpgetsit Jan 2013 #257
IF, I repeat....IF marions ghost Jan 2013 #262
Wow. What are the odds? LWolf Jan 2013 #276
Too late. I already reached into a portal Norrin Radd Jan 2013 #277
Birds of a feather flash47 Jan 2013 #287
From now on you should put three bullets through every door before entering Orrex Jan 2013 #294
I'm glad that you'll sleep like a baby afterward. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #300
And when whoever that is figures out how to get your gun and kill you with it, then do whatever it lonestarnot Jan 2013 #314
Holy crap, is that English? Bake Jan 2013 #341
What we've got here... Jeff In Milwaukee Jan 2013 #319
Sounds you'd love to shoot somebody mokawanis Jan 2013 #324
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #335
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