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rickford66

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11. Which is it?

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:19 PM

Dec 2012

Having guns is supposed to be a deterrent against crime, but having guns makes you a target for crime? Since banning guns or confiscating them is impossible, registration, creating a trail of legal ownership seems to be the only solution. If and when a legal weapon is sold or transferred, without a background check, the seller and all others in the trail after that are felons and are accessories to all crimes committed with the weapon. Sellers will be a little more careful.

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No, I'm not going to register my guns. [View all] MadHound Dec 2012 OP

And yet, you have no problem telling the whole internet what you own Electric Monk Dec 2012 #1

Exactly. progressoid Dec 2012 #41

Do you know his name and address? NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #46

I could know his IP address if I included an image in my post hosted on a server I had access to Electric Monk Dec 2012 #57

And to get around DHCP? NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #63

? AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #84

IP does change depending on some providers. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #89

Yeah, it's possible that MadHound is using dialup AOL still, but odds are they're not. Electric Monk Dec 2012 #96

Yes, if you clone your MAC address AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #104

I can... LP2K12 Dec 2012 #271

I think the other poster is confusing DHCP and NAT DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #315

But does that lead to his physical home address somehow? limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #167

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #231

ROFL! Skip Intro Dec 2012 #247

Yup. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #58

I know people with "protected by" and the name of a home alarm company stickers. Igel Dec 2012 #130

No thief will be that desperate to do all the stuff it would take to find out where he is to... Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #193

ironic samsingh Dec 2012 #252

cool story bro frylock Dec 2012 #2

"Gun control" means either control the guns or control the people who use them. rrneck Dec 2012 #3

I think you just did register them into a public database known as the internet. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #4

That's what I was getting at with reply #1 above. Electric Monk Dec 2012 #8

I'm always amazed at folks who come on line thucythucy Dec 2012 #44

Can you find out where I live from a post on an anonymous chat board? MadHound Dec 2012 #15

Yes. I'm shocked that people are so naive that they think they are untraceable abelenkpe Dec 2012 #26

Oh you're referring to the newspaper that published names/addresses. I'm firmly against that. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #33

Its not an invasion rbixby Dec 2012 #253

The newspaper needed to use an FOI Jenoch Dec 2012 #261

Yes. Not me, but the gummint can and does all the time. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #269

your wasting your time with this group, they think tracing your ip to your address is as easy as crazyjoe Dec 2012 #295

This post will show you your IP address, your ISP, your Operating System, and your browser. Electric Monk Dec 2012 #320

hahahaha.......wow, you know which browser i prefer. You sure showed me. :-) crazyjoe Dec 2012 #322

Holy shifting goalposts, Batman! Electric Monk Dec 2012 #325

let me be clearer for you, i see your having trouble keeping up with the discussion. crazyjoe Jan 2013 #331

I don't need to convince you, but if the gov't is compiling a database, MadHound is already in it. Electric Monk Jan 2013 #332

when all else fails, correct my grammer. The government compiling a database has nothing crazyjoe Jan 2013 #342

you should also refuse to register your car for the same reasons. spanone Dec 2012 #5

Or pay property taxes. After all, the assessed value of your home is listed on those records! PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #16

Heck, why not just refuse to follow any laws at all. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #61

And if you license your dog, someone might dog-nap it. Patiod Dec 2012 #180

Uh, correct me if I'm wrong... Skinner Dec 2012 #6

This is exactly the point I made on a thread about the published list. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #10

I think.. EX500rider Dec 2012 #13

Assuming that criminals are not smart enough to determine no one is home? hack89 Dec 2012 #20

Yup. If someone is home, the burglar has fucked up. BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #201

~>~>~>~>~>~>~>~> Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #262

Are you going to stay at home every single minute of every single day? MadHound Dec 2012 #23

i think another point is you dont want the bad guys to know your armed until its to late loli phabay Dec 2012 #25

I wouldn't want a newspaper listing me for anything that I own no matter what it is rrneck Dec 2012 #27

You'd better not buy a house, then Orrex Dec 2012 #100

There's a difference between public record rrneck Dec 2012 #126

The difference is an illusion Orrex Dec 2012 #148

It's funny rrneck Dec 2012 #162

An important distinction needs to be made: Orrex Dec 2012 #172

Do people only have sex at home? rrneck Dec 2012 #182

Your expectation of compensation makes no sense at all Orrex Dec 2012 #194

It makes no sense because you overlooked what I wrote. rrneck Dec 2012 #203

LOL bongbong Dec 2012 #207

Y'know, it's funny... rrneck Dec 2012 #209

Your analogy between guns and AIDS medication is preposterous Orrex Dec 2012 #229

Actually, rrneck Dec 2012 #238

So, you are in fact a paranoid gun nut Orrex Dec 2012 #241

You should probably brush up on those remote psycological evaluaiton skills. rrneck Dec 2012 #242

Well, I know some members of the NRA who aren't paranoid gun nuts Orrex Dec 2012 #245

Okay rrneck Dec 2012 #246

Some criminals... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #49

Most gun owners don't want to advertise they have guns. They are a major score for thieves. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #52

'Armed households are burglar magnets' AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #59

Absurd only if you smoke crack. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #66

Give some statistics to back that up AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #70

Here: NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #83

Ironically, your first link makes a case for gun registration AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #93

Registration info should be confidential, releasable only to law enforcement. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #95

No statistics forthcoming AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #111

Still using the invincible ignorance and Burden of Proof fallacies. nt NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #113

You tried AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #121

Let me jump in here to clarify a point: Orrex Dec 2012 #122

Ok. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #143

But isn't that information already available to the public? Orrex Dec 2012 #159

That information is NOT available to the public in most states. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #163

I recognize that that's your fear, but I still don't buy that it's valid Orrex Dec 2012 #174

And we will never come to any agreement then. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #177

Your argument is self evident BS Orrex Dec 2012 #195

Yes, we will obviously disagree. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #233

Then why have guns? Chorophyll Dec 2012 #72

The absurdity of the position is lost in the fog AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #77

You are arguing NRA talking points. Talk about fucking lame. nt NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #85

Funny AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #94

Strawman fallacy. That was never my position. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #97

"You are arguing NRA talking points" AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #115

FAIL nt NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #116

:) AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #117

What does that even mean? Crackinrocket Dec 2012 #222

Hence why you don't advertise it. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #80

Hunting, target shooting, collecting, personal self-defense slackmaster Dec 2012 #90

I take exception to "personal self-defense" Chorophyll Dec 2012 #92

Nobody here is claiming that a gun acts like some kind of magic force field that protects you slackmaster Dec 2012 #102

I'm not actually defending the publishing of names and addresses, though. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #124

What you seem to be doing is parroting negative stereotypes and bogus assumptions... slackmaster Dec 2012 #135

No. The OP has told us all about his guns, and about how putting that information out there Chorophyll Dec 2012 #141

You keep avoiding my point, which is that having your name and address published when you want... slackmaster Dec 2012 #142

Guns are a tremendous issue, and if they weren't, we wouldn't be having this "conversation." Chorophyll Dec 2012 #147

What I really don't understand is a mind-set that would include giving a flying fuck whether or not slackmaster Dec 2012 #149

And... you've changed the subject again. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #151

Indeed AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #55

A true statement. They'll probably target those not on the list, since there aren't shadowrider Dec 2012 #86

Plus 90 percent of crooks that do break ins safeinOhio Dec 2012 #119

Agreed shadowrider Dec 2012 #133

A tactic still n use by Jenoch Dec 2012 #249

Unless there are unregistered, illegal firearms blueamy66 Dec 2012 #208

Why not? A gun is an attractive thing for Jenoch Dec 2012 #250

Yes. I don't understand the logic at all. nt Chorophyll Dec 2012 #67

Publishing a detailed map showing where all the guns are takes the mystery out of who has them slackmaster Dec 2012 #87

Well said Skinner! neverforget Dec 2012 #98

Which house do we hit? Not that one with the gun. But... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #99

I advised a co-worker who is a gunsmith that his sign could be seen by would-be thieves IDemo Dec 2012 #128

When I leave home I take at most 2 of my/our firearms. ileus Dec 2012 #132

Excellent point. nt. OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #169

Don't forget, Skinner, that "responsible" gun owners lock their weapons up when they leave madinmaryland Dec 2012 #183

I think that should be mandated by law, personally. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #184

What???? A jackwagon will pick whatever house he/she wants regardless of the madinmaryland Dec 2012 #212

You really don't think there are burglars who would use a list like the one published? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #214

Apparently Wayne did tell you to say that. Show any of us here that the crackheads madinmaryland Dec 2012 #239

Ahh. My poor little delicate flower. You were so upset that you put me on ignore. madinmaryland Dec 2012 #240

If it makes you feel better, I put you on ignore about two weeks ago Orrex Dec 2012 #316

Just because you put me on ignore, does not change the fact that Rush the band still sucks!! madinmaryland Dec 2012 #321

If I weren't ignoring you, I'd tell you that I'm no Rush fanatic Orrex Dec 2012 #324

If only we had a rec reply feature. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #270

at the same time, gejohnston Dec 2012 #309

Yes, Skinner, guns do you make a target for criminals. MicaelS Dec 2012 #319

If you're on Social Security, you'll have to sell them soon leftstreet Dec 2012 #7

Your fear has you vowing to commit a hypothetical federal felony DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #9

Study: Carrying a gun can make you more paranoid PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #12

Maybe rickford66 Dec 2012 #17

Maybe paranoid people should stay the fuck away from firearms. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #19

But they can still watch FOX nt rickford66 Dec 2012 #24

So In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #38

You didn't read the study I linked. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #39

Yes. I did read the link. In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #43

So... perceiving a foam ball as a gun is a 'heightened sense of awareness'?? PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #47

Gun owners need to know: In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #75

Gun holders perceived the following things to be guns and drew their weapons upon sight: PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #81

That's really bad! In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #88

What is the homicide conviction rates of CCLs compared to general population? Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #110

I guess that depends on who you ask. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #125

I hear even Texas CCLs commit only a small fraction of murders when compared Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #160

"obsessed". PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #161

Oh, I do. You shoukd read them more closely -- Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #178

If we demonstrate that a gun owner lacks this "heightened state of awareness," Orrex Dec 2012 #166

And, should gun owners be re-evaluated on some interval? Annually? PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #170

That is the 64 thousand dollar question. In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #171

Love that AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #65

Very George Zimmerman-y PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #69

Another way of understanding what I was saying is: In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #79

Oh, I think I'm a hypothetical felon already then! cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #40

Well, no. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #73

Which is it? rickford66 Dec 2012 #11

poster doesn't want to secure the guns, and doesn't want to even know what happens if thieves bettyellen Dec 2012 #35

According to NRA types, criminals don't mess with people with guns. Hoyt Dec 2012 #14

Instead of wishing that everyone would be sensible, Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #29

I agree with you. Been pushing it for some time. Hoyt Dec 2012 #62

Yeah and I asked Santa for a unicorn that craps glitter, but he didn't answer. Crackinrocket Dec 2012 #224

I sincerely hope Cirque du So-What Dec 2012 #18

all guns should be registered quinnox Dec 2012 #21

seems to me the lanza's all had the same level of comfort with guns layin around which was all fine leftyohiolib Dec 2012 #22

How do you know they were left 'laying around'? B2G Dec 2012 #32

how do you know they were'nt .. you dont. i can play that game too. leftyohiolib Dec 2012 #51

We don't know much from official channels, now do we? B2G Dec 2012 #64

they were in a gun safe in the basement TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #225

In the UK that would get you a mandatory sentence of 5 years in prison. Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #28

Then I should have no problem with the government making a criminal out of you. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #30

Fine, but when you pass on... hopefully who ever inherits them would be law abiding bettyellen Dec 2012 #31

Oh please. Get off the cross. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #34

. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #36

+ 1000 quinnox Dec 2012 #37

Deer hunting season in northern MI scared me every year. Somebody riding in a car catbyte Dec 2012 #68

I have friends in northern MI with the same problems. In both cases it's their OWN LAND. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #106

Still? It was like that 30 years ago growing up. I hope your friends stay safe. catbyte Dec 2012 #157

+everything Chorophyll Dec 2012 #76

+10000000! Walk away Dec 2012 #302

Yeah, right. jberryhill Dec 2012 #42

What is it about guns with some people AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #45

RIght now I'm completely confused. You seem like a reasonable person. Tell me: Squinch Dec 2012 #255

Somehow I doubt criminals are going to be lining up for your musket, single-shot .22, Downtown Hound Dec 2012 #48

The guns would be used for Jenoch Dec 2012 #251

Yeah, your dad being an idiot really has nothing to do with whether or not one should register their Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #334

Wow, do you have it all effed up. Jenoch Jan 2013 #335

Well, everything you've just said throws a shitload of water Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #336

You still don't get it. Jenoch Jan 2013 #337

What about the normal risk of getting your guns stolen? Is that a problem? jmg257 Jan 2013 #338

It's not a huge problem for members of my Jenoch Jan 2013 #339

Interesting (and informative) article - thanks! nt jmg257 Jan 2013 #340

One of the most common ways Jenoch Jan 2013 #341

Actually, I do get it Downtown Hound Jan 2013 #345

Well gursh nubbit, you gun folks is gittin your stories all which ways, taint ya. Care Acutely Dec 2012 #50

.. quinnox Dec 2012 #53

You win. Brigid Dec 2012 #153

What is the purpose of the "accent"? Marengo Dec 2012 #219

Based on the fun guckers Care Acutely Dec 2012 #263

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #54

Wow. Having guns means people will now ROB YOU AND KILL YOU. mainer Dec 2012 #56

The fog of RW gun positions AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #101

The obvious solution is that we should arm gun owners Orrex Dec 2012 #103

Yes AgingAmerican Dec 2012 #108

Genius timesamillion Dec 2012 #181

The only sensible solution. Iggo Dec 2012 #215

Or is it time to begin to arm the guns themselves? They're in danger, you know. Squinch Dec 2012 #256

The NRA could train them for free and we'll pay them with tax $$$$$! nt Walk away Dec 2012 #303

it would take less time to register than typing your edict. JustFiveMoreMinutes Dec 2012 #60

I'd vote for a law to register your guns or put you in jail...and you'd need a license too... Sancho Dec 2012 #71

I agree the published list needlessly violates privacy. JohnnyRingo Dec 2012 #74

Good for you CountAllVotes Dec 2012 #78

The Journal News's reprehensible behavior provides a powerful argument against gun registration slackmaster Dec 2012 #82

I can't blame you at all - lynne Dec 2012 #91

It doesn't even reflect registered handguns accurately slackmaster Dec 2012 #107

So get a gun safe, get finger recognition software....... Smilo Dec 2012 #105

Would you register them if the info was confidential and not releasable to the public? NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #109

Yes I would. MadHound Dec 2012 #164

I thought of that same analogy. Here's the Diamond necklace owners in each county. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #168

So having a gun really makes you quite the sitting duck. I see. Quack on. Squinch Dec 2012 #258

The gun, no. Having personal possessions mapped for everyo who had no f'ing business to know does. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #268

I wear my nicest jewelry in public. People advertise possessions in tag sales and estate sales. Squinch Dec 2012 #275

Then stand behind your beliefs and publish all of your private info on the internet. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #276

That's just silly, and not equivalent to having gun licensure, already public information, Squinch Dec 2012 #279

It's not public in nearly every other state. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #280

Here is the information about my family that has been published -in the Journal News, as it happens: Squinch Dec 2012 #283

No, post your name and address and a list of your expensive posessions. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #284

As I said, it's already been done. Your demanding I do it here is simply silly. And you know that. Squinch Dec 2012 #285

Where's the searchable interactive map? Where's a link? NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #286

I guess you needed to get the namecalling off your chest. You seem to be really upset and think Squinch Dec 2012 #288

I don't see you doing the same. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #292

Call you names? No, I won't do that. And this conversation seems to have gotten to Squinch Dec 2012 #294

If you think it was unjustified, then alert on it. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #296

Not upset at all. Happy New Year. Squinch Dec 2012 #297

Good for you, stand up for your right to break a law you don't agree with. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #112

I used to know a man who was a reformed burglar. He told me how they usually choose houses... slackmaster Dec 2012 #118

Some friends were robbed years ago. They had a huge dog. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #134

Crazy behavior. That was a robbery. Burglaries are far more common. slackmaster Dec 2012 #139

Ah. We have a Springer. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #155

Sounds like a gun wouldn't have helped them either mainer Dec 2012 #146

I'm not sure anything would have helped them. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #152

some things are possible but not always probable rickford66 Dec 2012 #176

Any size barking dog will make a burglar re-think his target. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #138

Excellent post. ileus Dec 2012 #120

I'm opposed to publishing info on gun owners in the paper. But I do think you should register yours. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #123

I really don't think anyone is asking you to register your black powder gun... Taverner Dec 2012 #127

So you refute the arguement that gun owners are law abiding citizens? Kaleva Dec 2012 #129

If everyone were always law abiding... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #140

I'll bookmark this thread for the next time someone says gun owners obey the law. Kaleva Dec 2012 #145

Go for it. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #150

Wolverines!!! Electric Monk Dec 2012 #154

Which is that in truth, gun owners only obey the laws which they agree with. Kaleva Dec 2012 #158

That's true of all people. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #173

Precisely. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #175

How many people at DU do you think disregard marijuana laws? hack89 Jan 2013 #343

Especailly those who say over and over again that they obey the laws? Kaleva Jan 2013 #344

Not required in my state. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #131

That map really screwed things up. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #136

Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #144

That map harmed registration chances big time. nt NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #156

I agree. bvar22 Dec 2012 #137

The most responsible position? I don't know about that. Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #165

I think they published the list of registered law-abiding gun owners eilen Dec 2012 #179

I can't believe I put forth the effort required to actually read this dumb-ass post. TroglodyteScholar Dec 2012 #185

Did you stop, even for a few seconds, to think this through? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #186

What's your point? TroglodyteScholar Dec 2012 #188

I do lock them up. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #190

Balls bongbong Dec 2012 #211

So you fear that the release of public info about gun owners puts their other possessions at risk? TroglodyteScholar Dec 2012 #272

Yay! Amateur long-distance psychoanalysis! Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #299

I hope you go to prison if you break the law alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #187

So if someone steals or borrows :) your unregistered gun(s) and uses it in a criminal act.. Tikki Dec 2012 #189

IMO, when that occurs... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #191

How will they know who the gun owner is if the gun is not registered to an owner? Tikki Dec 2012 #192

FFL records. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #202

In Norway, a gun loving country, they allow the police to check in with gun owners to CTyankee Dec 2012 #281

Personally? I'd be okay with that. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #289

that's good to hear. Others on this board have said categorically NO to this idea when I CTyankee Dec 2012 #310

Um......Why should your guns be a thief-magnet more than, say, your car? WinkyDink Dec 2012 #196

Because cars aren't protected by the 2nd Amendment. Duh! Orrex Dec 2012 #198

It is easier to take than a car. A car can be seen going down the street, a gun can be hid under... Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #205

But a car doesn't need a house broken into! WinkyDink Dec 2012 #210

But a car has window that are easy to see in. Lady Freedom Returns Jan 2013 #333

Has anyone really looked at what MadHound has said? Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #197

Thank you for getting it, MadHound Dec 2012 #199

I can't understand how they can't either. Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #200

Drunk drivers are arrestred whetrher or not they cause an accident, so what's the harm of mere gun WinkyDink Dec 2012 #218

If the law is changed to require people to register their firearms, MineralMan Dec 2012 #308

Do you know how many Deer antlers are sold? Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #318

I agree! bongbong Dec 2012 #204

Read #197! Lady Freedom Returns Dec 2012 #206

He created a hypothetical bongbong Dec 2012 #213

Lets see: you tell us an enormous number of gun owners... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #216

Yeah, you are. Iggo Dec 2012 #217

Go ahead, break the law and refuse to register your guns, but don't whine later mokawanis Dec 2012 #220

Registration didn't work very well for the Canadians. Crackinrocket Dec 2012 #221

Now, there is something worth taking into consideration.. Blasphemer Dec 2012 #228

Actually you are wrong RC Dec 2012 #278

So now you're far to the right of everyone, including Pres. Obama? ecstatic Dec 2012 #223

I'll register mine. JoeyT Dec 2012 #226

Don't you think you should obey the law? AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #227

Safety comes first. I've been driving alone late at night.... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #230

Erm...no AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #235

Safety comes first. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #326

That's a weird and paranoid driving technique. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #265

Thanks. I think a lot of you, too. nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #327

Gee, I drove on lonely highways all the time mainer Dec 2012 #273

My concern is not what's in the mind of the other driver. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #328

Maybe you could shoot out the traffic light with your unregistered firearm Orrex Dec 2012 #301

My brother's gun safe was stolen. The whole safe. It was pretty heavy... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #232

"They got into it somehow". Is that like "And then I woke up"? WinkyDink Dec 2012 #266

As the OP pointed out, you can break into safes. I don't know how, though. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #329

What utter crap Tab Dec 2012 #234

I love all these gun owners who are so willing to become criminals so they can avoid jmg257 Dec 2012 #236

False equivalence, buddy. Nutsmustbecracked Dec 2012 #248

Other then they are both armed criminals you mean? jmg257 Dec 2012 #274

They need all those guns because they are paranoid. RC Jan 2013 #330

Fine. Brigid Dec 2012 #237

Just a hunch, but I'm betting that you have more than 4 guns... VOX Dec 2012 #243

better not register your car then CreekDog Dec 2012 #244

Isn't that special? JTFrog Dec 2012 #254

For decades, Canada has required all handgun owners to be Jenoch Dec 2012 #257

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #259

Fellow gun owner asks...why not? flvegan Dec 2012 #260

Just move under a rock already Capt. Obvious Dec 2012 #264

"they can still get the electronics and other valuables lying around." So why would your WinkyDink Dec 2012 #267

Because their first priority might well be the guns. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #300

I've heard a lot of paranoid ranting in that regard, but NO actual evidence of it Orrex Dec 2012 #312

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #277

Then you should lose your privilege to own one... Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #282

Then come take it. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #287

We don't have to Orrex Dec 2012 #290

Pretty slick. Explains your motive. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #291

Nope. Mocks your paranoia. Orrex Dec 2012 #293

I got the joke. It just wasn't funny. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #298

No you didn't, and yes it was. Orrex Dec 2012 #304

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #305

So, your state doesn't require such registration. MineralMan Dec 2012 #306

Great point! Some gun owners are apparently much more worried about being targeted by thieves jmg257 Dec 2012 #307

A significant number of states don't require registration - lynne Dec 2012 #311

Why would I be vilified? MineralMan Dec 2012 #314

You're above the law Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #313

It sounds like the value of these guns isn't really the security they provide. allrevvedup Dec 2012 #317

All hail lillypaddle Dec 2012 #323