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Why not Stonewall? MNBrewer Dec 2012 #1
Stonewall ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #5
The initial response was spontaneous, but it was what happened afterward that made the event importa OmahaBlueDog Dec 2012 #15
+1 bigtree Dec 2012 #24
Rosa Parks was actually part of the organization that planned the boycott lunatica Dec 2012 #47
Rosa Parks actions that day were spontaneous FreeState Dec 2012 #49
Yes. That's what I was trying to say lunatica Dec 2012 #51
They were not spontaneous, they were 20 years in the making: grantcart Dec 2012 #136
I was referring to her specific actions that day FreeState Dec 2012 #157
she was naacp secretary. they'd been looking for test cases for a bus boycott for some time HiPointDem Dec 2012 #98
I'm shocked by how man DUers in this thread do not know the Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #122
The way American history has been taught in this country lunatica Dec 2012 #130
Stonewall wasn't as spontaneous as people think either FreeState Dec 2012 #48
+1 eom arely staircase Dec 2012 #132
That's a bit of a stretch Yavin4 Dec 2012 #63
I don't think the people who participated in that "street action" were particularly "progressive," MADem Dec 2012 #83
My point exactly n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #112
I disagree FreeState Dec 2012 #115
Republicans were not racist pigs back then--MLK was a registered Republican. MADem Dec 2012 #129
So in effect your saying Progressives were not part of either party FreeState Dec 2012 #135
No, I am not saying that at all. I am saying that progressive values were not the impetus for the MADem Dec 2012 #141
100% correct -- good post bigtree Dec 2012 #2
From Bayard Rustin's 'From Montgomery To Stonewall'- just to add more from Rustin, for the OP Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #9
I wonder how Duers would feel today bigtree Dec 2012 #16
He also knew and spoke at length about the fact that activism toward legislative changes can Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #22
heh bigtree Dec 2012 #35
Social Security was incremental. It didn't initially provide universal coverage KittyWampus Dec 2012 #146
The Founding of Social security was NOT incremental at all. bvar22 Dec 2012 #150
Unbelievable. What I posted is factually correct yet you decide to try and argue. KittyWampus Dec 2012 #154
bears repeating for the deniers of the very important slights in that initial bill bigtree Dec 2012 #164
Unbelievable?... only to those who refuse to acknowlege it bvar22 Dec 2012 #175
then your opposition to the ACA health insurance act must follow the same logic bigtree Dec 2012 #176
If YOU can point out the Foundation Cornerstone of the ACA... bvar22 Dec 2012 #178
exactly bigtree Dec 2012 #179
You know, this is one thing that reminds me of the glacial progress of change tavalon Dec 2012 #165
I remember a president sending federal troops to integrate schools in the South Fumesucker Dec 2012 #3
You've seen it ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #6
Secessionists are trolls Fumesucker Dec 2012 #8
I'd think that would be because there isn't a complete breakdown in the justice system bigtree Dec 2012 #7
I was just giving an example of bold presidential action Fumesucker Dec 2012 #10
well, yeah bigtree Dec 2012 #12
True, the federal government is much more powerful now than it was then n/t Fumesucker Dec 2012 #14
So are we. i.e. the Internet. randome Dec 2012 #42
You're right, it would be much easier today to organize to fight forced integration Fumesucker Dec 2012 #52
that's more true than you pretend bigtree Dec 2012 #55
I grew up then and there, my perspective is a little different Fumesucker Dec 2012 #62
well, we can't pretend that every initiative and action by the federal government was beneficial bigtree Dec 2012 #67
No need to get so defensive, everything is fine Fumesucker Dec 2012 #75
I always have to remind myself bigtree Dec 2012 #76
I love you too Fumesucker Dec 2012 #90
To a certain extent, yes. Light is the most effective disinfectant we have. randome Dec 2012 #57
I see the disinfectant working the other way, I grew up in that time and place Fumesucker Dec 2012 #61
+1 HiPointDem Dec 2012 #100
What is the point you are trying to make about Stonewall? Do you know what happened that night? Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #4
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #26
What do you mean 'this was what I understood'? Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #32
I have done ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #40
You are typing incomprehensible responses. Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #50
The point is well made Rex Dec 2012 #180
wow, dave van ronk was arrested there. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #104
Media acclimates us to think that only immediate, dramatic change is possible. randome Dec 2012 #11
I have posted a few links about Stonewall which I do not expect you to have courage to read Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #13
I read both articles linked ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #31
"they didn't do anything but organize others' vs 'it was not planned as the other actions were'. Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #36
The involvement of ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #41
Well you are not being clear at all. Your OP did not even provide a link for context to the thread Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #58
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #64
You are the one who made Stonewall rhetorical football of your screed here today. Not me. Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #156
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #160
A very iintelligent post. Thank you. ywcachieve Dec 2012 #17
I don't know why your thread was blocked. Really crazy. However... Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #18
It wasn't my thread ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #34
no Skittles Dec 2012 #89
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #95
Ah ok. nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #96
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #19
Your point would have a bit more impact if you could spell Progressive Fumesucker Dec 2012 #21
I know how to spell progressive, and jackass, too. ywcachieve Dec 2012 #25
Don't forget teabagger Fumesucker Dec 2012 #27
Your edit history begs to differ. Javaman Dec 2012 #44
they do not have the same mentality samsingh Dec 2012 #53
It's not so much ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #68
when do the progressives demonstrate rank hyprocrasy samsingh Dec 2012 #72
I don't know if I wish to engage this discussion; but .. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #79
okay let's compromise and move on samsingh Dec 2012 #81
Alright. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #82
Of course not, you'd rather flame all the Progressives that make up the majority of the board MessiahRp Dec 2012 #134
Should I stop reading at the first, second or third inaccuracy? ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #145
Thank you! Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #169
I consider ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #173
Peddle that malarkey about progressives elsewhere. n/t GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #54
sounds like a bunch of excuses hfojvt Dec 2012 #20
Amen! Thank you! Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #23
Hear! Hear! meegbear Dec 2012 #28
People protested injustice back then b/c they had unbiased reporting that told them about it! Dustlawyer Dec 2012 #29
meh, this probably should be posted in meta quinnox Dec 2012 #30
For what reason? janx Dec 2012 #38
+1 treestar Dec 2012 #33
Beautifully stated. n/t janx Dec 2012 #37
How long did it take to institute Social Security & Medicare? leftstreet Dec 2012 #39
FDR was bold and progressive, but he left a lot of people out in the cold on Social Security bigtree Dec 2012 #46
Thanks for your post. I think some tend to over romanticize the fights of the past. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #60
Exactly ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #66
oh there's been incremental change alright in the other direction liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #101
Much to your chagrin, I'm sure, we're not Europe. Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #106
I'm not talking about Europe liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #107
!!! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #113
Approximately ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #56
Obama, is that you? leftstreet Dec 2012 #65
You are quite right ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #70
Everything you wrote was on the money and substantiated pretty well. Why was the origional locked? marble falls Dec 2012 #43
Incremental steps lead to the big splashy finale lunatica Dec 2012 #45
Yeak, like starting with a chained CPI leftstreet Dec 2012 #69
Give it a rest ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #71
"Exempts the elderly, the poor, the disabled, and veterans" brentspeak Dec 2012 #85
LOL leftstreet Dec 2012 #91
I don't know how ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #126
Laugh all you wish; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #94
We forget it because it leaves the rest of us out. It is not a valid argument for chained cpi. madfloridian Dec 2012 #102
Do you not agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #108
I agree with nothing you said. madfloridian Dec 2012 #116
So you don't "agree" ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #119
Exempting a few means that harm definitely will be done to others. madfloridian Dec 2012 #128
How am I playing word games and twisting replies? ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #140
Congrats on winning Dumb Post of the Week n/t brentspeak Dec 2012 #133
Thank you ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #143
The way I read that .... Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #153
yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #158
No, Carney does NOT say Obama included exemptions in his proposal. He says he "WOULD" include them.. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #170
Come on ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #174
What an optimist! lunatica Dec 2012 #73
what's wrong with bold, visionary progressives? noiretextatique Dec 2012 #59
Not a thing ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #78
i disagree, actually noiretextatique Dec 2012 #92
So ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #97
Excellent post malaise Dec 2012 #74
Are you, were you, trying to say LWolf Dec 2012 #77
I'm pointing out the unfortunate political reality ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #80
We sure as hell can LWolf Dec 2012 #84
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #93
Sorry. LWolf Dec 2012 #99
thank you! liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #114
You are welcome. LWolf Dec 2012 #127
Since that's your reply to my reply to the original post that you're quoting there, Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #86
you know it, Blue_in_AK Skittles Dec 2012 #88
And I join with you. Lockstep is unhealthy for any party. madfloridian Dec 2012 #103
Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #111
But at a terrible cost. madfloridian Dec 2012 #117
exactly. liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #120
Only if you disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #121
I have no problem with ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #105
The reality is that President Obama is a centrist, Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #118
Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #124
As for moving the ball in the right direction, Blue_In_AK Dec 2012 #125
I stand with you liberal_at_heart Dec 2012 #109
DEMOCRACY Skittles Dec 2012 #87
thanks, man farminator3000 Dec 2012 #110
One of the greatest threads of all year!!!! K&R, bookmarked! Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2012 #123
On Election Day You Criticized Me For Being White (In An Offensive Way) JimGinPA Dec 2012 #131
He wasn't criticizing you Jim he was making a humorous comment on the poll worker grantcart Dec 2012 #137
Are you kidding me????? 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #138
If you choose to insult one's intelligence... JimGinPA Dec 2012 #144
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #147
I've Known Grantcart For Years... JimGinPA Dec 2012 #152
With all due respect ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #155
I found this recently on a CNN blog about Rosa Parks history grantcart Dec 2012 #139
Thanks ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #148
The only steps we have been taking since the 1980's mmonk Dec 2012 #142
Okay, I understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #149
Not that one due to its deliberate inaccuracies. mmonk Dec 2012 #167
And until ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #172
I've learned that every kind of progress in politics usually babylonsister Dec 2012 #151
It seems like there is not a clear division between "holding feet to the fire" and... Taverner Dec 2012 #159
I agree with a lot of what you wrote; but, would point out ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #161
Makes sense to me... Taverner Dec 2012 #162
An executive order without funding to effectuate it is ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #163
Perfect thread. Your knowledge and sound grasp of the facts is exactly what I've come to expect Number23 Dec 2012 #166
Great post, and in some of your responses you speak well what Puzzledtraveller Dec 2012 #168
My view of what has been pivotal in the civil rights movements... MrMickeysMom Dec 2012 #171
Correct, change comes from the people, the government does not willingly reform itself. bemildred Dec 2012 #177
Seneca Falls and Selma and Stonewall Bluenorthwest Jan 2013 #181
So did I; but maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #182
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