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I made the following statement:

It's funny ... you say, "We aren't republicans, we don't have to march in lock step", then wonder why we don't get republican results, i.e., lock-step opposition.

I understand wanting a better world; but understand ... It ain't coming yesterday. As a veteran of the Civil Rights Movement, I can attest ... It comes, in this democratic republic, in baby-steps. And, in my opinion, it is the baby-steps of progress that result in lasting change.



To which I received the following response:

But change didn't come about by itself. The Selma marches, the Stonewall riots, the march on Washington, Rosa Parks' bus boycott, all of these pivotal moments in history that accomplished for us the change that we enjoy today occurred because bold, visionary progressives refused to accept the status quo and demanded something better.


I'd like to make three observations ... First, none of the historic events were led by, or even involved, Congressional Elected figures or the President in office; and none of these events were partisan issues that would have benefitted or been harmed by congressional acting in partisan lock-step.

Secondly, none of these events resulted in the immediate and comprehensive, and most importantly, uncompromising legislative action that Progressives seem to be demanding. The things we enjoy today were built over a period of 50 years, and are continuing to evolve, with one legislative success building on the previous compromise legislative action.

Finally, you are correct ... each of these events had a spark moment; but it wasn't because some "bold, visionary progressives" did anything, except maybe to organize the critical mass of every-day, and largely APOLITICAL, disenfranchised folks, that were already taking non-legislative action.

(BTW ... the Stonewall Riots doesn't fit your bold visionary progressive argument.)

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