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57. Not "being considered" SCOTUS acknowledge that all rights pre-exist our Constitution and do not

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:43 PM

Dec 2012

depend upon it.

Suggest you read UNITED STATES v. CRUIKSHANK ET AL. 92 U.S. 542 (1875)

Majority and minority cited that case in DC v Heller (2008)

In Heller both sides cited PA(1776) & VT(1777) constitutions that declared rights are "natural, inherent, inalienable/unalienable" and "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state"

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I'm bipolar (or possibly PTSD), spent 3 weeks in the psych ward -- can/should I buy a gun? [View all] Denninmi Dec 2012 OP

yeah and you should buy a bushmaster with a huge clip kydo Dec 2012 #1

Well, you know ... Denninmi Dec 2012 #3

thats so true kydo Dec 2012 #40

Depends on state law. In California if you were kept in for more than 72 hours, you are ineligible slackmaster Dec 2012 #2

Thanks for participating. Denninmi Dec 2012 #4

Retained in the facility against one's will. slackmaster Dec 2012 #7

Involuntarily detained on a mental health hold. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #9

Why do you NEED a gun? NightWatcher Dec 2012 #5

Tacky wall decor? Denninmi Dec 2012 #12

I thought it is Involuntarily Committed HockeyMom Dec 2012 #19

Probably not. But if... Schema Thing Dec 2012 #6

Generally, Bipolar doesn't mean you are mentally incompetent. NutmegYankee Dec 2012 #8

Bipolar I can come with psychotic features. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #10

Thank you for that. Denninmi Dec 2012 #18

The way things are now, with the right to arms being considered a constitutionally protected right, jmg257 Dec 2012 #11

There is no mechanism in place for that type of system. Denninmi Dec 2012 #14

Not "being considered" SCOTUS acknowledge that all rights pre-exist our Constitution and do not jody Dec 2012 #57

I'll pass, thanks. I understand the notion of rights secured by the Constitution just fine. jmg257 Dec 2012 #78

I'm content with you recognizing what SCOTUS says is the law & you obey it or suffer the punishment. jody Dec 2012 #79

Fine, but what does all that have to do with the OP? What should he/she be able to do re: arms? nt jmg257 Dec 2012 #80

Perhaps but CO & Wa nullified federal marijuana law. I begin to understand arguments from both sides jody Dec 2012 #87

In Ohio, you could legally do so. riqster Dec 2012 #13

Same in Michigan, and with the federal instant background check. Denninmi Dec 2012 #16

I think with time it's okay to get a gun under those circumstances mythology Dec 2012 #15

Thanks excellent question and jody Dec 2012 #17

Well, I don't want to give away the farm, so to speak, but my opinion on gun control is this: Denninmi Dec 2012 #20

I understand that you are currently seeking treatment for the problems you described in the OP but.. Walk away Dec 2012 #77

I think it would be a good idea to stop starting these threads on DU. nolabear Dec 2012 #21

Thanks, Nolabear. Denninmi Dec 2012 #23

Okay. I respect that. nolabear Dec 2012 #72

The ignorance on display in Meta was that it was only one poster who held ignorant views riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #24

Taking it personally? Perish the thought. Denninmi Dec 2012 #27

Sometimes it only takes one person to start the ball rolling on change.... riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #33

riderinthestorm Ignorance is a curable disease, stupidity is a terminal illness. Those who insult and jody Dec 2012 #28

Agreed. I don't think people thought they were insulting. A "national database" of mentally ill riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #39

Not just NRA, Mayor Menino of Boston and Mayor Bloomberg of New York City, cochairmen of Mayors jody Dec 2012 #54

Yes, a continuation of "Adam Lanza MUST have been mentally ill!!!11111" thinking riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #67

Emanuel "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." Repubs lost with Poindexter's IAO and now jody Dec 2012 #68

nolabear good analysis. Laughable that people who call themselves progressive are so intolerant. nt jody Dec 2012 #26

No and No Resonance_Chamber Dec 2012 #22

Because? Denninmi Dec 2012 #25

Denninmi see #28. nt jody Dec 2012 #29

Ok then get a gun, I really don't care Resonance_Chamber Dec 2012 #44

"I really don't care" Then why are you here? nt jody Dec 2012 #55

Got nothing else better to do right now. Any other questions? Resonance_Chamber Dec 2012 #63

That's all goodbye nt jody Dec 2012 #64

Bullshit. You can't possibly make this judgment. You don't have nearly enough info cali Dec 2012 #35

What a load of absolutist dung riqster Dec 2012 #36

yes you are slinging BS, if you are a commerical pilot on anti-depressents you don't fly air planes Resonance_Chamber Dec 2012 #46

Well... LP2K12 Dec 2012 #41

The difference is you know you have seizures and take precautions Resonance_Chamber Dec 2012 #48

No. LP2K12 Dec 2012 #49

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #62

Again... LP2K12 Dec 2012 #69

It's cheaper to borrow one from a friend or family member HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #30

It doesn't matter what I think. rrneck Dec 2012 #31

We can't answer that question here and you should know that so cali Dec 2012 #32

No, you should not Marrah_G Dec 2012 #34

Marrah, you don't have the information neccessary to make such a judgment cali Dec 2012 #37

The question is whether mental illness by itself is the criteria to use to make this determination. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #38

Why would you even want to buy a gun? leftyladyfrommo Dec 2012 #42

In the spirit of full disclosure... easttexaslefty Dec 2012 #43

Your diagnosis is something of a red herring, I think, insofar as anyone who wants coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #45

Anyone wanting to vote must "pass first a rigorous licensing regimen (perhaps with a mental health jody Dec 2012 #59

Hmm, after seeing some of the commentary on Yahoo's boards and other coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #60

Please add "sheer ignorance and outright delusional thinking right here on DU". nt jody Dec 2012 #61

A bigger concern than a diagnosis like yours Voice for Peace Dec 2012 #47

People confuse mental illness with psychosis. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #50

I feel compelled to add this. easttexaslefty Dec 2012 #51

Sure. Just don't by any ammo. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #52

I have a conflict. no_hypocrisy Dec 2012 #53

If your psychiatrist says it's okay. Barack_America Dec 2012 #56

I wouldn't if I were you. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #58

Wow, great post... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #65

Probably should not. jp76 Dec 2012 #66

Every case is different, every patient is an individual. Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #70

Actually my dear Denninmi the real question is... Drew Richards Dec 2012 #71

If a friend with PTSD or depression were to ask me that question, my suggestion would be "no". lumberjack_jeff Dec 2012 #73

The NRA say more guns = good, and we certainly have to keep up with the Jonses Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #74

I am ADHD WilmywoodNCparalegal Dec 2012 #75

Laws concerning firearms and the mentally ill... PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #76

A vet with PTSD (I think went to the clinic I did) arrested today for shooting police officer HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #81

Something nobody is discussing here HockeyMom Dec 2012 #82

See reply #81 n/t HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #83

Where I used to work HockeyMom Dec 2012 #89

No Kalidurga Dec 2012 #84

If you have not been adjudicated a danger to yourself or others, it is your right. X_Digger Dec 2012 #85

Can you? Yes. Should you? Unlike virtually everyone else at DU, I alone lack ... 11 Bravo Dec 2012 #86

Even though I may have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, I am still in no position to evaluate you madinmaryland Dec 2012 #88

I don't know what your rights are, but no, you shouldn't buy a gun. Th1onein Dec 2012 #90

OK, I wanted to wrap this up. Denninmi Dec 2012 #91

Peace Denninmi :) Fire Walk With Me Dec 2012 #92

Thanks, same to you. Denninmi Dec 2012 #93