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jal777

(59 posts)
12. The 223 round...
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 12:23 AM
Dec 2012

is not legal in some states for hunting deer sized game because it it's not big/powerful enough to bring deer down if precise shots aren't taken. Please inform yourself before making statements like "I believe in many states it's ILLEGAL to hunt using such huge cartridges". It just brings down your whole ideology in the eyes of the well informed.

K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #1
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #2
This gun owner agrees with you. flvegan Dec 2012 #3
I said I was hiding! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #9
They are used for target shooting also. upaloopa Dec 2012 #4
I am curious what kind of (target) shooting do use a 30 round doc03 Dec 2012 #25
I am a woman and I shoot at regular targets Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #33
But if your 'fun' hobby endangers society at large renie408 Dec 2012 #81
I was only answering the posters question Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #100
But why is there a need for a 30 round magazine? If you are shooting at a doc03 Dec 2012 #236
I am hitting the target. I am a good shot. Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #252
There is no need for a 30 round magazine unless you want to doc03 Dec 2012 #259
"There is no need for a 30 round magazine unless you want to kill people." PavePusher Dec 2012 #272
My suggestion sign up, suit up and go over to Afghanistan if you doc03 Dec 2012 #273
Been in the USAF for 22+ years. PavePusher Dec 2012 #274
Go back over play out your fantasies. You are another one those people that doc03 Dec 2012 #275
Thanks for the rational conversation. Good night. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #276
High Power Rifle is a specific format of competitive shooting hack89 Dec 2012 #57
why do you need 30 rounds to shoot target? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #77
We could make do with 10 round mags hack89 Dec 2012 #123
Well then, those folks are going to have to find another way to compete. renie408 Dec 2012 #82
No - Senator Feinstein's AWB is not retroactive hack89 Dec 2012 #120
Legitimate sport use can be easily accommodated. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #65
Why on earth is shooting a gun at a target considered a "sport"? LTX Dec 2012 #111
Like all other sports, ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #126
And who is determined as the winner in Newtown Connecticut? calimary Dec 2012 #169
And you win the Inappropriately Inaccurate Insinuation Analogy Award for the day. PavePusher Dec 2012 #212
Shame on you for thinking the Newtown murders are games.... ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #244
So playing a game of Monopoly is a sport? n/t LTX Dec 2012 #183
A board game? You know better than that. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #243
It isnt a sport nt abelenkpe Dec 2012 #136
Reality seems to rebut you. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #211
There is also a Zen mind aspect to shoot that people have failed to mention. socialindependocrat Dec 2012 #156
Zen and the art of mass murder - LTX Dec 2012 #181
Archery, discuss throw, javelin, fencing, boomerang... HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #202
You obviously don't know anything about it. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #210
well said farminator3000 Dec 2012 #76
My Yugoslavian Mauser was "made for killing (in war)". PavePusher Dec 2012 #208
Why don't you like ducks? former-republican Dec 2012 #5
I like roasted duck! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #10
yikes former-republican Dec 2012 #11
ducks are fun! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #79
AGREED. I don't want to hear about your freedom-freedom being taken away calimary Dec 2012 #6
The concept is much bigger than your thinking shintao Dec 2012 #70
no farminator3000 Dec 2012 #86
Guess you can't wrap you head around it. shintao Dec 2012 #105
"Yes, freedom does require responsibility and it is time you become responsible for freedom." calimary Dec 2012 #172
Don't let this pretender "patriot" billh58 Dec 2012 #139
This message was self-deleted by its author shintao Dec 2012 #142
i salute you, billh58! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #161
Only a Fool shintao Dec 2012 #189
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #194
The 2nd Amendment billh58 Dec 2012 #102
This message was self-deleted by its author shintao Dec 2012 #112
The current "interpretations" of the 2nd Amendment LTX Dec 2012 #114
This message was self-deleted by its author billh58 Dec 2012 #115
This message was self-deleted by its author shintao Dec 2012 #132
You know, this is a nice personal attack nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #134
Thanks, and I also billh58 Dec 2012 #138
Thanks for sound advice shintao Dec 2012 #144
What about the declaration of independence Toronto Dec 2012 #176
Sounds like you wandered over from Freeperville Floyd_Gondolli Dec 2012 #141
We have actually done that many times (visiting the local VA hospital and the combat veterans calimary Dec 2012 #160
If you're in this thread arguing in favor of assault weapons, you're my enemy DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #256
pro gun control arguments - always more equolent farminator3000 Dec 2012 #80
Your rationality is irrational MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #7
Why another top-level me-too thread? ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #8
The 223 round... jal777 Dec 2012 #12
Yep, it is as blatent pipoman Dec 2012 #14
Ummmmm........... Amaril Dec 2012 #75
he didn't even mention .223 farminator3000 Dec 2012 #87
What do you think he's talking about pipoman Dec 2012 #232
Dead Is Dead Well Informed Or Not - As A Citizen I Can Work to Criminalize Gun Ownership cantbeserious Dec 2012 #24
Yes, heaven forfend you should actually know what you were attempting to criminalize. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #31
Trying to criminalize the tools of mass murder in peace time. RC Dec 2012 #61
I hunt with an authentic military weapon, not even a knockoff sir pball Dec 2012 #71
It's simple, really. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #95
You can be absolutely sure that the NRA will be there to let them know everything they need to know. RC Dec 2012 #110
I've hunted with a Yugoslavian Mauser bolt-action rifle... PavePusher Dec 2012 #216
its called a gun farminator3000 Dec 2012 #88
"the details aren't important." Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #92
And there's the problem in 4 words Recursion Dec 2012 #127
here are your details. i am not interested in your opinion of them so don't reply, please farminator3000 Dec 2012 #179
So, not actually here for rational discussion, got it. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #217
The ammo I buy for hunting deer doesn't come in 30-round magazines Odin2005 Dec 2012 #54
I don't know anywhere that sells ammo in magazines Recursion Dec 2012 #128
Welcome to DU, jal777! calimary Dec 2012 #175
I wish I had this cartoon DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #13
Furthemore DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #15
While an AK-47 Jenoch Dec 2012 #38
Here we go splitting hairs again to show how AllyCat Dec 2012 #41
An AK may be "shorter round, less powder"... pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #43
You were lucky you were not shot with a full power round hack89 Dec 2012 #59
I don't even know what "full power" means in this context pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #72
I was thinking of a standard 30 caliber round hack89 Dec 2012 #74
Pardon me if I have a hard time understanding how you take such a clinical view pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #78
the man was shot in the face farminator3000 Dec 2012 #91
So you would ban all hunting rifles? nt hack89 Dec 2012 #108
i would do this farminator3000 Dec 2012 #113
So you would do nothing to stop another VT shooting? hack89 Dec 2012 #119
i would do something so you can't get any shiny black gun you want farminator3000 Dec 2012 #182
Your "solution" would not have stopped VT hack89 Dec 2012 #191
that's because VT is in the past farminator3000 Dec 2012 #204
It won't stop future VT shootings . nt hack89 Dec 2012 #223
Man, only on the internet DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #188
Thanks, Don... pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #197
Where did I say anything about benign? Jenoch Dec 2012 #90
BS pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #97
I will take pinboy's expertise DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #190
It has about the same ballistics as the .30-30 round. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #49
actually the point stands DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #187
Semi-autos have been used for hunting for over 100 years. PavePusher Dec 2012 #220
I meant lower DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #239
All of the below are excellent hunting weapons: PavePusher Dec 2012 #249
Then kindly tell DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #254
So, everything I said was accurate? Huh. PavePusher Dec 2012 #260
well, 5 shots DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #240
"Also, many gun "enthusiasts" brag about how easy it is to change a semi auto into an auto." PavePusher Dec 2012 #248
nice farminator3000 Dec 2012 #89
Typical AK ammunition is ballistically very similar to the venerable .30-30 lever-action round. PavePusher Dec 2012 #219
Really? shintao Dec 2012 #16
Sure, in a well-regulated militia. nt MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #18
If the aardvark401 Dec 2012 #21
"The militia" might just be all citizens. sofa king Dec 2012 #29
sorry, you got the wrong the 2nd Amendment shintao Dec 2012 #27
"well regulated" micraphone Dec 2012 #48
Lets use the correct definition of regulated, shall we? hack89 Dec 2012 #60
For purposes of a well regulated militia. MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #66
Clearly if only the Feds have nukes it is a tyranny. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #69
It is pretty clear what the framers of the Constitution meant hack89 Dec 2012 #73
Why did the framers add that clause then? MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #83
that is a preposterous statement farminator3000 Dec 2012 #99
Not so shintao Dec 2012 #106
The Militia is also mentioned in Amendement V NoGOPZone Dec 2012 #145
All free men were automatically enrolled in the militia hack89 Dec 2012 #149
So you're saying that the milita referred to in Amendment V NoGOPZone Dec 2012 #150
It refers to the militia after being called to federal service hack89 Dec 2012 #152
still not answering the question NoGOPZone Dec 2012 #154
US law recognizes two militias hack89 Dec 2012 #163
Therefore, in the context of the 5th, NoGOPZone Dec 2012 #168
So, under this unorganized Militia concept DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #195
No. Unorganized mean unorganized hack89 Dec 2012 #198
well, there is more than one, but yours makes no sense at all in context farminator3000 Dec 2012 #96
A well functioning militia is how it should be interperated. hack89 Dec 2012 #107
interpret this- farminator3000 Dec 2012 #184
Read the federal code hack89 Dec 2012 #193
you read it farminator3000 Dec 2012 #205
no, you got the 2nd amendment wrong farminator3000 Dec 2012 #94
Where you stand nt. shintao Dec 2012 #125
Federalist Papers? jp76 Dec 2012 #146
29 mentions the individual zero times to be exact. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #147
I was thinking of #46. jp76 Dec 2012 #155
Hamilton believed in. Strong federal government nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #162
Madison did not. jp76 Dec 2012 #246
Yup, American history trivia. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #250
yes barbtries Dec 2012 #53
still regulated shintao Dec 2012 #64
except that the NRA barbtries Dec 2012 #109
Who is the NRA? shintao Dec 2012 #130
I love creative ignorance of dependent clauses and 18th history nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #135
Why do the gun lovers use a Sharpie on that part of the 2nd Amendment? RC Dec 2012 #63
Do you feel it is "infringement".... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2012 #34
Bazookas are legal to own. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #50
Ok, you can buy the tube. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #68
Ammo for guns, no. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #129
How is it any different? Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #131
Bazooka rockets are not "small arms ammo". ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #133
Splitting hairs. They are SALW and most certainly would be part of the Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #242
FREEDUMB! FREEDUMB! FREEDUMB!!! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #55
An RKBA absolutist. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #67
former Chief Justice Burger - individual right to bear arms was “one of the greatest pieces of farminator3000 Dec 2012 #93
Go back to billh58 Dec 2012 #103
i salute you again! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #164
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #17
So you'll agree that people born into wealth are undeserving MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #19
I'll go one step further... Grins Dec 2012 #20
Not that it matters in regards to the 2nd Amendment, Jenoch Dec 2012 #39
it happens, Bosso 63 Dec 2012 #62
I've been USAF for 22 years. PavePusher Dec 2012 #221
But if I don't have an arsenal of high-powered weapons... Mister Ed Dec 2012 #22
Try something lower powered like an AR-15? ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #52
Thanks, excellent suggestion! I think I'll get an AR-15... Mister Ed Dec 2012 #124
Sometimes, killing people is a legitimate solution to a dire situation. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #23
Then get a pistol. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #56
i didn't even read your post farminator3000 Dec 2012 #166
I didn't read your response either. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #173
bullshit farminator3000 Dec 2012 #177
Sometimes the only way to stop someone from hurting you is to use lethal force. aikoaiko Dec 2012 #26
Yup. krispos42 Dec 2012 #28
Stop posting facts! PavePusher Dec 2012 #222
Agreed ReRe Dec 2012 #30
PETA nuts?? Makes you sound like a moran. 1620rock Dec 2012 #32
Not it doesn't. nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #36
Well, the cartridges are under-powered for hunting. Deep13 Dec 2012 #35
Deer are not the only Jenoch Dec 2012 #40
I know. nt Deep13 Dec 2012 #47
Um.. The .223 is a very small cartridge....for the record. cliffordu Dec 2012 #37
The 30.06 is larger nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #42
Yeah, but my 30.06 doesn't use 30-round magazines, Nadine. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #58
It can nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #104
I guess I never really looked... Odin2005 Dec 2012 #116
You mean nobody uses an M1 Garand in Minnesota nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #122
It's worse than that: the only purpose of assault weapons is to kill people IN GROUPS. paulkienitz Dec 2012 #44
with all do respect according to Minnesota hunting laws duck hunters can only have 12 shells azurnoir Dec 2012 #45
Ummm, citation for that 12-rounds, please? PavePusher Dec 2012 #225
here from the mn dnr azurnoir Dec 2012 #229
Wow, that's restrictive. Thanks for the info. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #233
Yet they're one of the least used guns in crime. Dr_Scholl Dec 2012 #46
They are the most used weapon in mass shootings of innocent people. renie408 Dec 2012 #84
The number of mass shooting are on the rise, even though... Odin2005 Dec 2012 #117
Magazine capacity makes little difference in mass killings. Dr_Scholl Dec 2012 #137
Another Gungeoneer spouting billh58 Dec 2012 #143
don't hold back, dude farminator3000 Dec 2012 #170
Cleaned up and done... billh58 Dec 2012 #178
awesome! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #185
At age 72, my main billh58 Dec 2012 #200
and a sense of humor, too! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #207
Yep but the gun manufacturers have to mek money malaise Dec 2012 #51
good read farminator3000 Dec 2012 #238
Thanks malaise Dec 2012 #245
I agree completely Ohio Joe Dec 2012 #85
the last two paragraphs here sum it up farminator3000 Dec 2012 #237
If this is the case why do we not then take them from the police and government? Remmah2 Dec 2012 #98
In many European countries, the beat cops don't have guns... Odin2005 Dec 2012 #118
England is the only place I've seen that. Remmah2 Dec 2012 #121
why do you have to 'see' it? farminator3000 Dec 2012 #174
Geography101 Remmah2 Dec 2012 #241
Using that logic, I should have the goddamn RIGHT to nuclear arms. PeaceNikki Dec 2012 #140
Think of neighborhood superiority nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #148
those aren't questions farminator3000 Dec 2012 #171
Fair enough... Coyote_Tan Dec 2012 #101
No, no, no. You're purchase of an assault weapon compels me to do likewise because they are ASSAULT patrice Dec 2012 #157
I was just thinking about this. Trying to sort through the various assault scenarios & I came up patrice Dec 2012 #151
What are the public grounds for being concerned about private assault capabilities, latent or patrice Dec 2012 #153
You are right..... typeviic Dec 2012 #158
Hunters do use black rifles and they are definitely gaining in popularity with hunters. ... spin Dec 2012 #159
black wasn't mentioned in the title of the post farminator3000 Dec 2012 #186
I personally use the term "black rifle" or "assault style rifle" to refer to AR type ... spin Dec 2012 #199
"black rifle" is shorthand for "military-looking rifle" Recursion Dec 2012 #201
black wasn't mentioned in the title of the post farminator3000 Dec 2012 #215
I know. I'm saying it's a fairly commonly used synonym for military-style rifles Recursion Dec 2012 #218
i don't care farminator3000 Dec 2012 #224
Yep and look at the hornets nest you stirred up! Rex Dec 2012 #165
Wayne LePew nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #167
"Wayne LePew" LMAO! Odin2005 Dec 2012 #227
Where is hunting mentioned in the second amendment, again? X_Digger Dec 2012 #180
um farminator3000 Dec 2012 #192
High capacity magazines Danang1968 Dec 2012 #196
thank you, that was beautiful! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #214
Actually, violent crime is at an over-20-year low. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #226
Violent crime Danang1968 Dec 2012 #234
well played! farminator3000 Dec 2012 #235
I don't disagree entirely, and there are many things we can do to help fix the problem. PavePusher Dec 2012 #247
lower gun deaths Danang1968 Dec 2012 #251
Education, jobs, health care (including mental health), end Prohibition II.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #253
his right to be safe @ the grocery is more important to a majority of people than your right to own farminator3000 Dec 2012 #255
I open carry at Fry's grocery here in in Arizona and get complemented by the staff. PavePusher Dec 2012 #261
why don't you ask ex-congresswoman Giffords what she thinks about that? prob not so nice farminator3000 Dec 2012 #262
I carried to one of her events several years ago. PavePusher Dec 2012 #265
BS farminator3000 Dec 2012 #266
Trying to "shut down the conversation"? PavePusher Dec 2012 #270
no, i said you are spouting nonsense, multiple times farminator3000 Dec 2012 #271
lower gun deaths Danang1968 Dec 2012 #258
you can certainly take care of yourself...well played again farminator3000 Dec 2012 #263
Kind thoughts Danang1968 Dec 2012 #264
Thank you farminator3000 Dec 2012 #268
k&r... spanone Dec 2012 #269
Careful my friend. Whovian Dec 2012 #203
both money and hate farminator3000 Dec 2012 #209
Your OP made no sense whatsoever. PavePusher Dec 2012 #206
If you can't understand it that is YOUR problem, not mine. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #228
Freedumb. Best way to put it. Taverner Dec 2012 #213
I have come to cringe when somebody starts yakking about "freedom" Odin2005 Dec 2012 #230
Where do they monopolize "pro-life"? Taverner Dec 2012 #231
just a bump so people will read post #196 in this thread. it might make you cry, careful farminator3000 Dec 2012 #257
nope. i was educated by a du'er that he & pals play games & have matches with theirs. spanone Dec 2012 #267
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