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WillyT

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20. Alright... Though I Think You Missed The Forest For The Trees... Let's Talk Afghanistan...
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 08:08 PM
Dec 2012

A warzone... most weapons/firearms probably loaded and carried...

And yet...

From 1/20/12:


American soldiers training Afghan police officers in 2010. A report cites growing friction between the ostensible allies. - Photo: Damon Winter/The New York Times

But the most troubling fallout has been the mounting number of Westerners killed by their Afghan allies, events that have been routinely dismissed by American and NATO officials as isolated episodes that are the work of disturbed individual soldiers or Taliban infiltrators, and not indicative of a larger pattern. The unusually blunt report, which was prepared for a subordinate American command in eastern Afghanistan, takes a decidedly different view. The Wall Street Journal reported on details of the investigation last year. A copy was obtained by The New York Times.

“Lethal altercations are clearly not rare or isolated; they reflect a rapidly growing systemic homicide threat (a magnitude of which may be unprecedented between ‘allies’ in modern military history),” it said. Official NATO pronouncements to the contrary “seem disingenuous, if not profoundly intellectually dishonest,” said the report, and it played down the role of Taliban infiltrators in the killings.

The coalition refused to comment on the classified report. But “incidents in the recent past where Afghan soldiers have wounded or killed I.S.A.F. members are isolated cases and are not occurring on a routine basis,” said Lt. Col. Jimmie E. Cummings Jr. of the Army, a spokesman for the American-led International Security Assistance Force. “We train and are partnered with Afghan personnel every day and we are not seeing any issues or concerns with our relationships.”

The numbers appear to tell a different story. Although NATO does not release a complete tally of its forces’ deaths at the hands of Afghan soldiers and the police, the classified report and coalition news releases indicate that Afghan forces have attacked American and allied service members nearly three dozen times since 2007.

Two members of the French Foreign Legion and one American soldier were killed in separate episodes in the past month, according to statements by NATO. The classified report found that between May 2007 and May 2011, when it was completed, at least 58 Western service members were killed in 26 separate attacks by Afghan soldiers and the police nationwide. Most of those attacks have occurred since October 2009. This toll represented 6 percent of all hostile coalition deaths during that period, the report said.


More: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/20/world/asia/afghan-soldiers-step-up-killings-of-allied-forces.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

You've ot to hand it to the NRA apologists... MarianJack Dec 2012 #1
To Be Fair... It Was A Liberal Who Said This... On The Irony And Absurdity Of The NRA Position... WillyT Dec 2012 #9
That's what happens when humor based on ignorance backfires on the person. -..__... Dec 2012 #24
Didn't Backfire In This Case... Most People At This Meet-Up Nodded In Agreement... WillyT Dec 2012 #25
It's the trying to be clever/snarky/sarcastic/failed attempt at humor that made it backfire. -..__... Dec 2012 #27
Yeah... And Your "Facts" Do Nothing But Muddle The Issue... Do YOU Really Want Armed Guards At WillyT Dec 2012 #28
It still works, even under the ROEs - there were plenty of armed and loaded MPs on that base. leveymg Dec 2012 #33
They didn't ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #2
Nice case of weasel words intaglio Dec 2012 #7
Yes, the guards at the gate who are very far from where the shooting was Recursion Dec 2012 #11
PP admits that there are MPs intaglio Dec 2012 #40
Somewhere on base there are MP's, yes, just like somewhere in any town there are cops Recursion Dec 2012 #42
Nice case of you dodging the facts ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #13
So you admit MPs and guards are armed intaglio Dec 2012 #37
More lies from you ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #39
Minor quibble Glassunion Dec 2012 #41
I'm familiar with the area of the shooting. moondust Dec 2012 #35
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #38
Alright... Though I Think You Missed The Forest For The Trees... Let's Talk Afghanistan... WillyT Dec 2012 #20
Which is true nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #3
They didn't. You can't walk around armed on a base Recursion Dec 2012 #4
Were any of those times when you were on guard duty? n/t intaglio Dec 2012 #8
Even interior guard I was almost never armed Recursion Dec 2012 #10
My son was there when that happened The Straight Story Dec 2012 #5
Why is that? Why don't you keep a weapon on you? renie408 Dec 2012 #12
Stateside the weapons are locked up in in an arms room most of the time Crabby Appleton Dec 2012 #16
Why are they locked up? renie408 Dec 2012 #17
There are US Army soldiers at your Aldi's carrying weapons? Crabby Appleton Dec 2012 #18
Why? Because they were turning up at gun shows. X_Digger Dec 2012 #22
Because the military knows from long experience Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #34
Why don't *I* The Straight Story Dec 2012 #30
Dr. Strangelove: Turbineguy Dec 2012 #6
Full Metal Jacket (Warning: Foul And Sexist Language) WillyT Dec 2012 #15
The first armed persons to arrive at the scene were civilian police Crabby Appleton Dec 2012 #14
And THEY could not prevent the massacre. Zoeisright Dec 2012 #19
THANK YOU !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #23
They did prevent from going further. former9thward Dec 2012 #31
An American military base..... Wounded Bear Dec 2012 #21
Ironic... No ??? WillyT Dec 2012 #26
No its not. former9thward Dec 2012 #29
when Daninmo Dec 2012 #32
Homicide rates in prison are below the national average. Robb Dec 2012 #36
Shooter opened fire in area where he knew soldiers not allowed to have loaded weapons. Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #43
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