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wickerwoman

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20. It's too early for the facts you've presented to be relevant.
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 07:58 PM
Dec 2012

Sandy Hook was clearly the straw that broke the camel's back for many policy makers as well as everyday Americans (and for people overseas). It is a qualitatively different event in terms of its emotional impact on the debate. In 36 years, I have never seen this kind of upswell of support for gun control in the US. But it is too early to pull out statistics to show the impact of the event itself, let alone policies in response to it.

Maybe in six months, you will have your facts. Until then, there's no point in trying to shut down the discussion of possible impacts of this event on tourism or immigration as you do not hold facts which are any more relevant or accurate than anyone else's.

On edit: The immigration statistics are also irrelevant because they only tell you how many people are seeking to come to the US relative to other years. They don't tell you how many people would consider coming to the US but don't both because of crazy gun laws (or the death penalty, or the prison-industrial complex, or underfunding of schools, health care, infrastructure, etc.)

some truth,but DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #1
Indiscriminate killings are more prevalent in America. wake.up.america Dec 2012 #2
"Europe is a place where Terrorist bombings are considered normal". Any stats, quotes, pampango Dec 2012 #21
here ya go DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #23
Not according to the Immigration Service. former9thward Dec 2012 #3
Don't confuse the poster with facts while their attempting to be dramatic. crazyjoe Dec 2012 #9
Those statistics don't reflect reaction to a week old shooting incident. wickerwoman Dec 2012 #10
I like facts not anecdotes. former9thward Dec 2012 #19
It's too early for the facts you've presented to be relevant. wickerwoman Dec 2012 #20
So then nothing that is presented will ever be "relevant" in your eyes. former9thward Dec 2012 #22
I can say that about anything that is irrelevant. wickerwoman Dec 2012 #31
That in another few weeks Europeans won't even remember. Zax2me Dec 2012 #47
Once, in a London restaurant Lifelong Protester Dec 2012 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author crazyjoe Dec 2012 #12
That's precisely how a Northern Irish teenager reacted in Roger Rosenblatt's... CBHagman Dec 2012 #28
Hey, that's what makes us "exceptional." CTyankee Dec 2012 #5
Their fears are unfounded. Jenoch Dec 2012 #6
I work with Germans and Italians...so no. tammywammy Dec 2012 #7
I must say laundry_queen Dec 2012 #8
let's see, about 13,000 gun deaths last year, 315.000.000 people, crazyjoe Dec 2012 #11
This abelenkpe Dec 2012 #32
Gun-related homicide statistics are available from the DoJ. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #41
fine, let's use your numbers. according to your article, from the fortune tellers crazyjoe Dec 2012 #45
I was unable to find any examples of an au pair being murdered in the US. Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #13
I knew a real nice guy in Germany moondust Dec 2012 #14
and supposedly everybody in Switzerland DOES hfojvt Dec 2012 #16
it is dangerous, but often also mostly harmless hfojvt Dec 2012 #15
You have to be cautious but shouldn't let fear guide your life. nt Raine Dec 2012 #17
More cautious now than in the past IMO. I drive a classic car and I have to admit sometimes it RKP5637 Dec 2012 #30
It just means Americans haven't cornered the market on irrational fear Major Nikon Dec 2012 #18
Interesting comments. wake.up.america Dec 2012 #24
Really! elleng Dec 2012 #27
Nnnnnope. Hasn't occured to me. cherokeeprogressive Dec 2012 #25
My family have refused to visit for years.. HipChick Dec 2012 #26
Hey just maybe Berserker Dec 2012 #38
in canada too riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #29
I drive cross country, sometimes, and I have to admit it unnerves me occasionally when getting off RKP5637 Dec 2012 #33
Trust me. You're safer getting off in central Kansas or Nebraska Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #35
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, definitely!!! Yep!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Dec 2012 #40
Because of the epidemic of ski slope shootings? (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #34
Well Berserker Dec 2012 #36
My husband, my daughter and I visited London Mariana Dec 2012 #37
i just came back from london riverbendviewgal Dec 2012 #39
They're welcome to go to N Africa, S America, Central Asia, etc. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #42
We own a place that puts up quite a few visiting Germans (in particular) as well as KittyWampus Dec 2012 #43
Violent Crime is at a decade lows... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #44
HA. A joke. I would not throw stones from the glass house of Europe. Zax2me Dec 2012 #46
So, this means there is no reason to have trepidations about visiting Cincinnati? wake.up.america Dec 2012 #48
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