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In the discussion thread: Why don't most people care whether a gun is semi-automatic or automatic? [View all]

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:59 AM

Recursion (25,477 posts)

123. You're right: there's a lot of fact-vomiting and mansplaining

And very little concern about how descriptions and images of firearms viscerally upset and trigger (no pun intended) some people.

That's unfortunate, it's unhelpful, and to the extent that I've done it, I'm sorry (I'm trying not to; I'm the same way with computers, too, and it's a hard habit to break).

That said, I'm not sorry for being specific and accurate about what terms like "semi-automatic" and "automatic" and "assault weapon" mean when they are the basis of the laws people want to see enacted. If I wanted to end drunk driving deaths and to do that was trying to ban the sale of vodka cocktails, you would do the same thing, I think.

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172 replies	Author	Time	Post
Why don't most people care whether a gun is semi-automatic or automatic? [View all]	pnwmom	Dec 2012	OP
there is a difference and to argue from a position of ignorance weakens any valid points you make	NightWatcher	Dec 2012	#1
The OP said the difference was irrelevant...	gcomeau	Dec 2012	#2
The OP is ignorant and angry	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#4
Says a poster...	gcomeau	Dec 2012	#8
I read the OP prior to posting and stand by my observations	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#13
Right, the fact you have a hard on for guns is established	Whovian	Dec 2012	#101
When you are standing on the side of mass murderers of 6-7 year olds..	99Forever	Dec 2012	#25
I have things I would like to see done to change things for the better.	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#28
What did I say that was factually incorrect? n/t	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#43
These guys think...	99Forever	Dec 2012	#78
I missed seeing your comment when I posted below, you are absolutely right. That is what it is	stevenleser	Dec 2012	#83
That's exactly what it is	laundry_queen	Dec 2012	#99
I feel many on your side should be totally honest and simply say you wish to ban ...	spin	Dec 2012	#157
I'm willing to consider the legality of a single shot rifle that is difficult to reload.	stevenleser	Dec 2012	#167
Really? You're the one pushing to keep the weapon Lanza used legal	Recursion	Dec 2012	#105
Hogwash.	99Forever	Dec 2012	#119
I admit to being angry. What did I say that was factually incorrect? n/t	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#42
Actually nothing I would comment on , your post was your opinion	former-republican	Dec 2012	#49
So there was nothing factually incorrect	intaglio	Dec 2012	#129
The OP is absolutely correct.	robinlynne	Dec 2012	#53
The OP is clearly in command of the facts . . .	MrModerate	Dec 2012	#75
Especially with the addition of bump stocks or rubber bands, making them for all intents and purpose	RC	Dec 2012	#144
I don't care if they are semi or automatic. Any gun that fires rounds like that	roguevalley	Dec 2012	#81
A fully auto weapon has not been used	Jenoch	Dec 2012	#103
No automatic weapon has been used in any mass shooting in the US	Recursion	Dec 2012	#108
For a "Professor" you are ignorant of the word ignorant	intaglio	Dec 2012	#127
A high percentage of gun toters/abusers are too.	Hoyt	Dec 2012	#128
i understood that.	samsingh	Dec 2012	#34
This s what is amazing	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#5
Which countries military does Bushmaster have a contract with to export their AR 15 to?	former-republican	Dec 2012	#6
Did I say army?	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#15
Please link where Bushmasters are being found all over combat zones	former-republican	Dec 2012	#16
You can call CNN Christianne Ammanpour saw them in Bosnia	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#23
Okay , what you meant to say was that some AR types have been found in other countries	former-republican	Dec 2012	#27
They are out there	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#30
Don't forget the foreign manufacturers like the Chinese Norinco and there CQ AR variant	pediatricmedic	Dec 2012	#68
this sounds like LORD OF WAR	riverbendviewgal	Dec 2012	#66
Led of War is based on one trader	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#69
read in mother jones.	riverbendviewgal	Dec 2012	#74
You have no idea what you are talking about..	Mec9000	Dec 2012	#9
Yeah I don't why they are in the weapons black market.	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#11
The ones in Mexico were given to them by the ATF the rest I suspect are M16 clones	Mec9000	Dec 2012	#14
They were? No son, they are bought all along the border	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#19
around the world they want full auto not a semi auto... AKs much cheaper in the third world.	Mec9000	Dec 2012	#26
Of course they aren't	former-republican	Dec 2012	#29
Not as expensive as you think	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#35
They are being smuggled and also sold legally to Mexican authorities	former-republican	Dec 2012	#45
Mexico issues FAL to line troops	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#48
This message was self-deleted by its author	former-republican	Dec 2012	#56
It's the FX-05	former-republican	Dec 2012	#58
That the federal police uses M-16 and M-4 yes	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#61
Yup, must be nice to live in this fantasy.	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#32
Evidence?	intaglio	Dec 2012	#131
He's gone to the big	billh58	Dec 2012	#148
I still think the Stone Pizza should be put in the avatar frame	intaglio	Dec 2012	#156
We have no easy way to know if Bushmaster ever received a FMS contract	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#18
Evidence, I'm sure the people who pointed you towards this discussion could provide some n/t	intaglio	Dec 2012	#130
There is a whole lot of that going on these days.	geckosfeet	Dec 2012	#12
at least Biden is working on it, and he wrote the previous AWB bill. It had a lot of good points	NightWatcher	Dec 2012	#20
That's not good enough! We should all be educated enough on gunnery to write legislation ourselves!!	bettyellen	Dec 2012	#31
You obviously don't know your Glock from a Colt in the ground. :) n/t	klook	Dec 2012	#77
Yep, and I'm proud of it!	bettyellen	Dec 2012	#85
Agreed	klook	Dec 2012	#86
Well, not STFU, but at least listen when those of us who do know guns...	Recursion	Dec 2012	#111
It sounds like Biden is on the right track. n/t	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#44
Oh - I did not know he wrote the 1994 bill. It did not hold up too well.	geckosfeet	Dec 2012	#55
I don't think Biden should be claiming	Jenoch	Dec 2012	#110
I am a (multiple) firearm owner. Have you heard of 'slide bump'?	DollarBillHines	Dec 2012	#17
Spoken like a true	billh58	Dec 2012	#149
.	99th_Monkey	Dec 2012	#154
If we are to have any hope of ever improving the gun laws in our nation ...	spin	Dec 2012	#162
I am not NRA	DollarBillHines	Dec 2012	#170
There is a semantic difference but not an important difference.	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#33
Both need to be removed form our country yesterday! It does not matter what you call it.	robinlynne	Dec 2012	#52
continually bizarre	BainsBane	Dec 2012	#71
Offensive is right. good post. nt	laundry_queen	Dec 2012	#100
Really? I'm seeing assistance called "derailing"	Recursion	Dec 2012	#109
Diane Feinstein has legislation	BainsBane	Dec 2012	#115
And if you want to assist	BainsBane	Dec 2012	#116
No, that was what I have in mind. I'd like to see handguns significantly restricted	Recursion	Dec 2012	#122
Hog wallow. It is the mindset that is attracted to the military knockoffs that is a major problem.	RC	Dec 2012	#146
Trying to help?	billh58	Dec 2012	#155
Who the **** do you think I am and you are?	Recursion	Dec 2012	#158
No my gunner friend, it's	billh58	Dec 2012	#159
I second that. Good post.	RC	Dec 2012	#145
It used to be Uzi's now it's Bushmasters, nothing much different?	xtraxritical	Dec 2012	#72
Not true	DisgustipatedinCA	Dec 2012	#79
+1 nt	laundry_queen	Dec 2012	#102
OK, but if I wanted to end multihoming and my solution was to ban BGP ...	Recursion	Dec 2012	#112
The bickering over details is how the NRA exhausts opponents of mass murder weapons	_Liann_	Dec 2012	#114
A weapon similar to the Bushmaster WAS NOT	Jenoch	Dec 2012	#136
It's a "distinction without a difference".	SharonAnn	Dec 2012	#121
There is a difference but you don't really care unless you LOVE this ad...	Pholus	Dec 2012	#153
Ignorance makes bad preparation for writing laws. For example, those who want to bad the evil	jody	Dec 2012	#3
And...as I told my congress critter	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#7
And, conversely, these non-semi-automatic models would be A-OK.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2012	#10
I didn't say that. I proved the term semi automatic does not mean all firearms with that type action	jody	Dec 2012	#21
I wasn't contesting your point...	NYC_SKP	Dec 2012	#24
Mea culpa. Sad that anti-gun DUers are just a click from a group that IMO has the finest group of	jody	Dec 2012	#38
The anti-gun brigade is proposing to limit high capacity magazines and drums.	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#46
They are proposing more guns, and more guns everywhere, as always.	Warren Stupidity	Dec 2012	#47
I have opinions but I want to hear other people's credible ideas. Please post your thoughts at	jody	Dec 2012	#54
pnwmom you conflate magazines with proposals to prevent another Sandy Hook Tragedy. Too many posts	jody	Dec 2012	#88
Why isn't it an effective option to ban the possession of high capacity magazines?	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#91
"Too many posts have repeated ad nauseam the simple fact that hundreds of millions of high capacity	jody	Dec 2012	#93
If criminals aren't affected by laws, why do we have ANY criminal laws?	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#96
"why do we have ANY criminal laws?" Excellent question to which I also would like an answer.	jody	Dec 2012	#97
Simple. I don't need to do a survey.	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#98
I wonder what all those people are doing in prison, then.	Iggo	Dec 2012	#142
Ask pnwmom #96 nt	jody	Dec 2012	#143
Yeah, but you and me both know they ain't all pot smokers.	Iggo	Dec 2012	#163
Because making the magazines illegal would be as ineffective as making marijuana illegal has been	Recursion	Dec 2012	#113
You can require guns not to be made with removable magazines.	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#117
Yes! That you can do	Recursion	Dec 2012	#120
HA HA- Only the pro-gunners want to or can help with good gun regulations, HA HA	bettyellen	Dec 2012	#87
Actually they already have helped with gun regulations. That is why we are having this problem now.	RC	Dec 2012	#147
It took me 10 minutes to stop laughing at this	intaglio	Dec 2012	#133
The cycling is automatic in both	Jenoch	Dec 2012	#138
Except prior to the NRA redefinition project	intaglio	Dec 2012	#141
I'm saying that guns should be highly restricted, not necessarily banned,	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#36
"pause to reload"	Lizzie Poppet	Dec 2012	#22
Amy Bishop, the woman who shot other faculty at Alabama U,	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#37
Just because one person was notably incompetent...	Lizzie Poppet	Dec 2012	#40
Being psychotic, as many of these shooters are, doesn't tend to enhance competency.	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#76
True. But that's a small number of an already small number.	Lizzie Poppet	Dec 2012	#80
The problem is that many hunting rifles are semi-automatic, though carrying only 4 or 5 rounds.	eallen	Dec 2012	#39
most people don't know the difference between a scud missile and a patriot missile	spanone	Dec 2012	#41
Patriots dont kill, they are only fired at other missiles. nt	stevenleser	Dec 2012	#84
if I get run over by a car while out walking no one is going to care if it was a Chevy or Ford.	likesmountains 52	Dec 2012	#50
Thank-you!!!!!! +1000	robinlynne	Dec 2012	#51
Agreed No Distinction - It Took Lanza 10 Minutes To Slaughter 26 People - 2.6 People Per Minute	cantbeserious	Dec 2012	#57
The difference is that his semi-auto weapon	janx	Dec 2012	#60
Yes - Maybe - But A Distinction Without Much Merit When Viewed Through The Prism Of Destruction	cantbeserious	Dec 2012	#62
You could still create a massacre with a conventional semi-automatic weapon.	janx	Dec 2012	#65
what if the bullets only travel 1200 feet PER SECOND?	OneTenthofOnePercent	Dec 2012	#59
As Many Have Pointed Out - The NRA And Gun Apologists Don't Seem To Demonstrate Much Compassion	cantbeserious	Dec 2012	#63
You're right: there's a lot of fact-vomiting and mansplaining	Recursion	Dec 2012	#123
My Response - Repeal The 2nd Amendment - Outlaw All Firearms Now! - The Latest, Two Firefighters Dead	cantbeserious	Dec 2012	#132
And I think doing that would kill a whole lot of people	Recursion	Dec 2012	#134
I Am Past Half Measures With The Body Count Steadily Rising - I Do Not Support Your Position	cantbeserious	Dec 2012	#135
Actually semi-automatics may be more deadly under the circumstances we worry about. nm	rhett o rick	Dec 2012	#64
Proposed solution.	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2012	#67
if it looks like only a military person should be carrying it, it's a machine gun.	pansypoo53219	Dec 2012	#70
What makes a weapon look like only a military person should be carrying it?	Recursion	Dec 2012	#107
Do most people really not care?	ManiacJoe	Dec 2012	#73
I think pro-gun folks are deliberately trying to steer discussions into the weeds with these	stevenleser	Dec 2012	#82
"how much damage it can do in a short amount of time" What is your specification? nt	jody	Dec 2012	#89
My 'specification' is a public discourse on the subject. nt	stevenleser	Dec 2012	#90
We've had "public discourse" that produced the AWB. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention	jody	Dec 2012	#92
No, we havent	stevenleser	Dec 2012	#94
So we disagree. See link below. The anti-gun community has been trying for decades to	jody	Dec 2012	#95
see, that's the weeds thing he was talking about. Not taking the bait.	bettyellen	Dec 2012	#137
No, I think our party has been burned before by people who know squat about guns writing laws	Recursion	Dec 2012	#104
No, I didnt say that. I dont care about the things you are talking about. Thats what I am saying.	stevenleser	Dec 2012	#118
This message was self-deleted by its author	Recursion	Dec 2012	#106
Exactly. And of course they know more about it	treestar	Dec 2012	#125
"What I DONT know is the demarcation point between whether a gun is an assault weapon or not.	Jenoch	Dec 2012	#139
No, it was a dismal failure because it concerned an obscure and irrelevant classification.	stevenleser	Dec 2012	#140
Thank you. That's a good criterion. It also is a criterion...	Recursion	Dec 2012	#161
And that should make me unhappy why exactly?	stevenleser	Dec 2012	#168
Obviously I can't speak for you personally	Recursion	Dec 2012	#169
Does it look like a hunting rifle, or a military weapon - a military knock-off, such as a Bushmaster	RC	Dec 2012	#150
OK, but you can't do anything with an "assault weapon" that you can't do with a hunting rifle	Recursion	Dec 2012	#164
Keep reading.	RC	Dec 2012	#165
The rubber band is just as ineffective with assault weapons as it is with hunting rifles	Recursion	Dec 2012	#166
Just try to explain that	billh58	Dec 2012	#171
I agree - attempts to sidetrack on that issue should result in	treestar	Dec 2012	#124
It only took about 15 shots to change the entire world	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#126
Tell that to the parents of the 20 kids at Sandy Point.	RC	Dec 2012	#151
my statement is not in disagreement with your thought	graham4anything	Dec 2012	#172
Would that include handguns? revolvers and other automatics? nt	99th_Monkey	Dec 2012	#152
The reason the difference needs to be pointed out...	Deep13	Dec 2012	#160

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