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Egalitarian Thug

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81. Ah, there's one problem. The north east is not like any other part of the nation, yet the people
Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:48 AM
Dec 2012

that live there just don't seem to understand that. I'm in Nevada now but LA is my adopted home and I can assure you that pretty much everywhere else in the nation is nothing like the north east. For example, with few exceptions (Chicago is the only one I know for sure) there is no public housing and generally never has been. Now, I've qualified that statement just to allow for the fact that I haven't been everywhere, but let me assure you that from Georgia to Portland to Denver to San Diego, it does not exist. There is no such thing.

I suppose the idea was to simply write checks to property owners, who inevitably become slumlords, rather than building government housing. I think both failed because once the idea got through, no attention was given to the execution. As I told you in the previous reply, section 8 housing has been turned into a massive welfare program for property owners who are universally hated by everyone from their tenants to the other owners who still live in their own houses where the neighborhoods have been ruined.

Then there are the shelters and the streets and cars and that's it, There is nothing else. Chicago tore down Cabrini Green about a decade ago (perfect example of good intentions going awry) and replaced those towers with nothing. That's it outside of the world you live in. Public housing is a myth west of the Mississippi (maybe St. Louis?).

I didn't intend to dismiss your point. OTOH I do believe that the members of the Progressive Caucus have a much better idea of what is going on and how the game inside the beltway is played than you do. When Bernie Sanders says that political reality dictates your taxes cannot be left raised, it makes sense and I believe him. I also know that there is no way that this or any other Congress in the next decade or so, can feasibly pass another tax cut for the rich unless it is hidden inside one of these package deals. If we step off the fiscal curb all of us get a minor tax increase, but much more importantly, the inheritance tax is reinstated (something which your kids will absolutely benefit from) and a 34% increase in the capital gains tax rate (something that will never get through Congress while the republicans rule the house and also something that will benefit everybody including your kids), and most importantly of all, it will force the collective Congress (both parties) to deal with all of the issues they want so desperately to duck.

And BTW, you're not the only one that struggled to rise up the ladder. In 2003 I retired because I had enough and wasn't willing to kill myself on the hamster wheel just to get more than I needed. But 'our' government decided that making billionaires was more important than a healthy middle class and enforcing the law. We can trade sob stories some other time.

kr HiPointDem Dec 2012 #1
K&R forestpath Dec 2012 #2
That's the thing: our position strengthens without a deal. closeupready Dec 2012 #3
ok let's do it limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #4
Lloyd Blankfein shouldn't be worrying about doing taxes. He should be worried about doing time. Initech Dec 2012 #5
Let's put that on the 2013 agenda Report1212 Dec 2012 #6
++++ geckosfeet Dec 2012 #15
In a just world Aerows Dec 2012 #25
What you said!! neverforget Dec 2012 #26
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #29
Yesssssssssssssssssssssss! ReRe Dec 2012 #7
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #8
Doing Nothing has never sounded so good. GO PETER!! 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #9
Doing nothing humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #40
Then I guess "they" have already won 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #47
I agree totally humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #51
this is what I'd like to see happen bloomington-lib Dec 2012 #10
Let's get MORE MEMBERS saying it! Report1212 Dec 2012 #11
And what about the 98 percent? humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #12
Therein lies the problem - if 'nothing' happens then lower middle class gets hurt groundloop Dec 2012 #31
I really don't like humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #34
Yes but taxes are a percentage of our income not a fixed amount. Walk away Dec 2012 #38
Yes you are wrong humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #39
Incomes are dropping in real dollars. nt Flatulo Dec 2012 #45
K & R AzDar Dec 2012 #13
DoD gets cut good too! xtraxritical Dec 2012 #14
I think this is where we will separate out the real Democrats from The Third Way'ers. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #16
Yes, but sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #32
Ok, but we need a name. "corporatist wing of the Democratic Party", doesnt sell well. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #35
You're right of course. sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #36
Just call them "Republican infiltrators," duffyduff Dec 2012 #63
How about Pod People? sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #64
+1000 blackspade Dec 2012 #17
I would rather krakfiend Dec 2012 #18
Walk away, Dems. Let em sweat for a change. We can take it. mountain grammy Dec 2012 #19
Sorry but no humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #41
It's not fair and hasn't been for a long time mountain grammy Dec 2012 #55
knr cui bono Dec 2012 #20
I Am so sick of this president and his need to ''compromise''.. YOHABLO Dec 2012 #21
+1 forestpath Dec 2012 #22
Wait! In the several years I've been getting Social Security my COLA has been pathetic, maddiemom Dec 2012 #23
It's so bad. nt Report1212 Dec 2012 #33
I've said all along (and I know I'm not the only one)......... socialist_n_TN Dec 2012 #24
"Fiscal Cliff is a myth" Report1212 Dec 2012 #27
Is it a myth? humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #42
Until we as a people........ socialist_n_TN Dec 2012 #52
How do you consider this the least painful? humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #56
How about in the last deal when the poor lost their tax breaks? Autumn Dec 2012 #58
Really? humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #60
Really? My taxes went up Autumn Dec 2012 #74
Because of what deal humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #76
In 2010 when Obama extended Bushs tax breaks Autumn Dec 2012 #79
That's my Rep. Go Peter! WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2012 #28
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2012 #30
Well, I'll just pour a stiff drink when my accountant calls. Walk away Dec 2012 #37
So what is your point humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #43
Your taxes might go up for a week Report1212 Dec 2012 #44
Certainly humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #50
Another $1000 or $2000 a year would suck but I am more worried about folks... Walk away Dec 2012 #53
HUH? humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #61
I have tried every "Fiscal Cliff" calculator out there and for a single person... Walk away Dec 2012 #68
WHAT???? humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #70
Thats my Congressman!! Eatacig Dec 2012 #46
Give him a call and thank him Report1212 Dec 2012 #54
K&R Thank you Congressman DeFazio n/t Michigan-Arizona Dec 2012 #48
Afuckinmen!!! Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #49
! Bobbie Jo Dec 2012 #57
In the complete absence of any positive proposals, nothing is the best option. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #59
Wrong Wrong Wrong humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #62
I am poor. Most likely much worse off than you. What I believe that you are not considering Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #65
B.S. you obviously humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #66
Maybe where you live that is true, and I'm sure that someone here is getting something like the Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #75
Save me the theatrics humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #77
So you're smarter, more experienced, and have a better understanding than DeFazio and Sanders... Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #78
Whatever.. humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #80
Ah, there's one problem. The north east is not like any other part of the nation, yet the people Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #81
Payroll tax cut is dead either way Report1212 Dec 2012 #67
Isn't that how we pay for S.S. and Medicare? nt Walk away Dec 2012 #69
It was used by Obama humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #72
Exactly so why are so many humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #71
Case closed. rug Dec 2012 #73
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