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cascadiance

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33. Yep, you are right about Teddy being a warmonger. So was LBJ in the 60's...
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 11:33 PM
Dec 2012

Had LBJ not had the bad mistakes he made in the Vietnam War hanging over him, he might have been known as one of the greatest progressive presidents in recent times, having done things like starting much of what has become our modern day safety net, passing the Voting Rights Act, and a lot of other decent legislation that he pushed in many cases literally physically through congress that we all should be very thankful for that are in place today.

Teddy Roosevelt had his heart in the right place for many things that stood up for the common man, even if he also made a lot of mistakes on the world stage that started us in our 20th century empire building mistakes.

Reagan also recognized that capital gains taxation should be the same as regular income tax rates, even though the Grover Norquist types of today try to conveniently have all of us ignore that amongst other things that Reagan did then. Reagan on balance though did more to destroy our economy and was on balance one of the worst presidents even with some of the good aspects he had.

And Eisenhower, even if he is far better on many things than his Republican successors were, he arguably laid the ground work for what happened in the Vietnam War when he sent a lot of military "advisors" to Vietnam to help "train" the South Vietnamese prepare for the vacuum that was happening when the French withdrew from Vietnam then. Perhaps not as much of a "conscious" war monger then and didn't perhaps want to be that involved there, nevertheless he did get us more involved then to keep the "domino theory" from becoming a reality they believed would cause tremendous problems then. It was later Kennedy that turned these advisors in to combat forces and grew there sizes significantly, as did LBJ and Nixon did as well.

The problem we have today, is that the media which has never been so corrupt and "owned" and NOT serving the public good the way our constitution has written it should be as an institution has a warped image to try and push through the radical extreme Republican ideas and ignore the sane areas in the past that many Republicans had, in an effort to greedily flush any remaining sanity that party has left today. That is why this party (AND the corrupt corporate media that serves it) needs to be taken on heavily through bottom up grass roots efforts to shut it down and bring back sane discussions of our history and not allow them to define their false image of it for the rest of us.

And any effort to "simplify" and "reform" our income taxes should look back at the forgotten history there that the corporatocracy wants us (especially the younger generation) to not know about and forget.

Think how valuable these pieces of the tax code would be today if they were still there instead of removed back in the 70's and 80's.

1) sales tax deductions - helped a lot of people contributing to our economic growth keep more of their wealth while spending in society, and it also helped states that depend on sales tax revenue not feel more of a pinch with less people spending money when they could get added tax deductions spending money in their states.
2) interest deductions on more than just home mortgage interest - This would help ALL Americans, not just home owners, especially with the a lot of the huge and high interest credit card debt that people have today when their income hasn't kept up with inflation. And if we hadn't lost this deduction, arguably perhaps the home mortgage bubble might not have been as big as it was when it blew up a few years ago, if more people didn't move all of their debt in to their home mortgages in order to qualify for tax deductions on it. This would also hep students with record debt levels now in student loans in getting back some of that expense too.
3) income averaging - I remember when I was first moving from being a student with lower paying jobs to being a college graduate with higher paying jobs that this deduction was very valuable in helping me out at least the first year or so not paying as much taxes, and would also help many people today when they finally get a job after being unemployed for a year or so to get their lives restarted again. I certainly could use it in that regard this coming year in that regard.

It's this kind of tax subsidies that I'll bet Romney and his crowd were looking at going after, but not wanting to tell us up front about, so that they could screw us again to reward themselves and their rich buddies again. We need to be conscious of the details of how these deductions and others were taken away from us and were one more factor in the decline of the middle class (along with reduced tariffs, etc.), since the 80's. The corporate (so called "liberal&quot media won't tell us about this part of our history. We need to make sure ourselves that we and our children are informed on these details so that the same mistakes aren't made again in allowing the corporate raiders rig the system in their favor again.

Which is why they are headed towards extinction. They should change their logo to the Wooly Mammoth JaneyVee Dec 2012 #1
yeah InsultComicDog Dec 2012 #8
or maybe InsultComicDog Dec 2012 #9
This one.. Yes.. I like it.. :>) pangaia Dec 2012 #31
we can email it to Rachel Maddow. she would laugh SummerSnow Dec 2012 #55
Yeah. This one even looks all faded out. Arkansas Granny Dec 2012 #58
Can you get that mammoth bogged down in a tar swamp? ArcticFox Dec 2012 #45
Perhaps atreides1 Dec 2012 #11
Yes, yesphan Dec 2012 #2
Yes, I'm old enough to recall. elleng Dec 2012 #3
Me too! Eric the Reddish Dec 2012 #7
I remember that as well. Lugnut Dec 2012 #51
I beat you by a few months; elleng Dec 2012 #52
Seems like a long time ago, but yes. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #4
Nope! I first became really politically aware under Nixon's jackboots. OffWithTheirHeads Dec 2012 #5
Without the republicans thebard77 Dec 2012 #50
I liked Ike when I was a preteen. Since then my palate has refined. n/t dimbear Dec 2012 #6
Republicans lost their mind completely when they crawled in bed with evangelical preachers nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #10
Amen! ReRe Dec 2012 #19
These posters show a history of unwavering support for these programs socialindependocrat Dec 2012 #12
No - there were never rational repugs that i can remember samsingh Dec 2012 #13
They became what they claimed Democrats were. Democrats_win Dec 2012 #14
I do remember - LiberalElite Dec 2012 #15
Me, too! MissMarple Dec 2012 #16
Gov. Ray Shafer of PA was the brother of our next door neighbor when I was a little boy Botany Dec 2012 #17
I remember Gov. Shafer. femmocrat Dec 2012 #24
Yes, but Everitt Dirksen and Eisenhower HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #18
I think John Anderson was the last "Republican" I voted for... cascadiance Dec 2012 #35
I briefly registered as a Republican to vote for him in the Iowa caucuses HarveyDarkey Dec 2012 #37
Perhaps I knew you then?... Voted for him in the election in Iowa then when attending U. of Iowa cascadiance Dec 2012 #41
Possibly, I was in Iowa City at the time HarveyDarkey Dec 2012 #44
Who was it that offered to cut SS last week? Who doc03 Dec 2012 #20
I do remember when Republicans were rational... ReRe Dec 2012 #21
Well, I remember Nixon as the White House point of contact when he was Ike's VP.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #22
Nixon also arguably had started the trend of Republicans doing treasonous things before elections... cascadiance Dec 2012 #39
My gut tells me that humbled_opinion Dec 2012 #23
Hell no, but it seems odd that many Republicans would call someone like Obama "stupid"... cascadiance Dec 2012 #40
We need to recreate Teddy Roosevelt's Bull Moose party for the sane ones to move to. cascadiance Dec 2012 #25
Hey Obama DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #26
No. They've always been greedy lying sociopaths. Zorra Dec 2012 #27
Just more blatant about it HarveyDarkey Dec 2012 #38
"Remember when..."? No--I was born AFTER 1872... lastlib Dec 2012 #28
They got bought Flatpicker Dec 2012 #29
Of course, Teddy was a warmonger. rickyhall Dec 2012 #30
Yep, you are right about Teddy being a warmonger. So was LBJ in the 60's... cascadiance Dec 2012 #33
They weeded themselves of all the good guys and nothing but the chaff left. Their own fault! Auntie Bush Dec 2012 #32
I agree that they've lost touch with reality but ... jimlup Dec 2012 #34
oh no problem, most of them are criminals No Compromise Dec 2012 #46
I don't think that today's republicans are more criminal jimlup Dec 2012 #48
No, actually. ismnotwasm Dec 2012 #36
Ford No Compromise Dec 2012 #42
Ford: Member of the Warren Commission and the only unelected VP to become... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #53
when things started to go wrong, really wrong.... No Compromise Dec 2012 #43
A greater of two evils is necessary in this corporate game. nt woo me with science Dec 2012 #47
No, because Reconstruction was a long time ago. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #49
oh I know, but they use to be better actors at least No Compromise Dec 2012 #60
That means it used to be worse. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #63
Or as Billo would call them: 'far left loonies' tblue Dec 2012 #54
k&r Little Star Dec 2012 #56
Remember when Republicans were Rational? Flashmann Dec 2012 #57
Kicking! n/t Hotler Dec 2012 #59
It is as if libodem Dec 2012 #61
And they are "persons" that only sociopsths can identify with... cascadiance Dec 2012 #64
No empathy libodem Dec 2012 #66
no. robinlynne Dec 2012 #62
Republicans tend to say only those things that are in their own self-interest. gtar100 Dec 2012 #65
anyone show these to family members? No Compromise Dec 2012 #67
No nolabels Dec 2012 #68
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