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Sun Dec 23, 2012, 09:19 AM

23. These kinds intellectually dishonest arguments are being channeled via high bandwidth

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from both sides and everyone in the middle right now. It is quite fascinating to observe. Emotions are getting the better of many.

Intellectually-honest and intellectually-dishonest debate tactics
(NOTE: Pardon the link to an obviously RW blog, but there ARE some interesting insights here. This link is far less objectionable than some of the links to the freepland cesspool that are frequently seen on DU.)

Here is another:
A List Of Fallacious Arguments

Almost all arguments consist of one intellectually-dishonest debate tactic after another. It is one of the reasons why our country has gotten so screwed up.

There are two intellectually-honest debate tactics:

1. pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s facts
2. pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s logic

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101 replies	Author	Time	Post
How do you reason with people like this? [View all]	Atman	Dec 2012	OP
By all means, ban cars; they're literally killing us all anyway...	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#1
+1.	freedom fighter jh	Dec 2012	#6
Trains...	Neoma	Dec 2012	#42
No, no! That's how they're gonna ship us off to FEMA! Glenn Beck says so!	freshwest	Dec 2012	#62
And progressives vote against it because NIMBY	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#71
But not if they add them to side of the interstate, that's the plan. I guess.	freshwest	Dec 2012	#72
O rly? Lulz.	AverageJoe90	Dec 2012	#67
There isn't even a remote chance they'll	Ilsa	Dec 2012	#2
I wonder how many people actually commit homicide by car every year.	PerpetuallyDazed	Dec 2012	#3
I had a friend that committed suicide by car.	littlemissmartypants	Dec 2012	#4
Asphyxiation is common	Chico Man	Dec 2012	#98
Helium hood. n/t	littlemissmartypants	Dec 2012	#99
Umm	Chico Man	Dec 2012	#20
Do you have a cite for that?	drm604	Dec 2012	#31
Of course it doesn't.	99Forever	Dec 2012	#44
Tell those affected by drunk drivers that their loss is bull shit	Chico Man	Dec 2012	#50
You didn't just get it wrong.	99Forever	Dec 2012	#56
Do you realize how many people drive drunk?	Chico Man	Dec 2012	#61
YOU DO LIVE IN FEAR	Skittles	Dec 2012	#64
^^^ THIS!	RetroLounge	Dec 2012	#66
I'm putting that on on Ignore	Skittles	Dec 2012	#68
Go for it	Chico Man	Dec 2012	#83
No	Chico Man	Dec 2012	#84
The ad says 35,000 total, so that figure can't be right	Atman	Dec 2012	#32
Yeah it peaked out at about 50k	Chico Man	Dec 2012	#43
So basically any discussion of this is "incredibly insulting".	drm604	Dec 2012	#51
Of course I can't back it up	Chico Man	Dec 2012	#54
Need to see some figures and explanation	tabasco	Dec 2012	#57
They found a guy outside my apartment shot in the head	Chico Man	Dec 2012	#58
You have a some actual evidence of that?	99Forever	Dec 2012	#33
Is this really a game I'm playing?	Chico Man	Dec 2012	#45
Your claim was that there are 50,000 vehicular HOMICIDES a year.	99Forever	Dec 2012	#46
Like I said, you win	Chico Man	Dec 2012	#49
Got any more strawman nonsense you care to toss out?	99Forever	Dec 2012	#52
almost nothing?	Chico Man	Dec 2012	#53
forget it 99: lost cause	Skittles	Dec 2012	#65
Get some fresh air	Chico Man	Dec 2012	#86
Vehicular homicides don't mean what you think they mean.	Zoeisright	Dec 2012	#70
PerpetuallyDazed is the one who made the mistake by use of "homicide"	Scootaloo	Dec 2012	#73
Bullshit. There were 12664 murders in the US in 2011. Of those 8583 were gun deaths.	neverforget	Dec 2012	#92
Vehicular homicide is not murder	Chico Man	Dec 2012	#93
A dead person is a dead person no matter how they die and	littlemissmartypants	Dec 2012	#5
Seems like an apples and oranges problem	Frosty1	Dec 2012	#7
You can't.	GoCubsGo	Dec 2012	#8
Start with fear, reinforce the fear with consistent actions of avoidance, or carrying a weapon...	Maineman	Dec 2012	#36
I saw that on Facebook	caraher	Dec 2012	#9
It's the Founders' Fault	RVN VET	Dec 2012	#10
cars regulated	d_r	Dec 2012	#11
i have to agree	exboyfil	Dec 2012	#12
Additional risk?	Fumesucker	Dec 2012	#87
There is no reasoning with someone like that	etherealtruth	Dec 2012	#13
The question isn't	H2O Man	Dec 2012	#14
He is an acquaintance we see during summer months	Atman	Dec 2012	#34
Attempting to convince such people is useless.	thucythucy	Dec 2012	#15
I agree creepy!	obama2terms	Dec 2012	#16
Start talking Suicide figures.	slampoet	Dec 2012	#17
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Chico Man	Dec 2012	#97
Jesus	dangin	Dec 2012	#18
Thank them for being in a profession that checks their mental and physical health,	Festivito	Dec 2012	#19
You don't.	sulphurdunn	Dec 2012	#21
I don't try to engage these folks any more. I block them from my view	loyalkydem	Dec 2012	#22
+1	lunasun	Dec 2012	#77
These kinds intellectually dishonest arguments are being channeled via high bandwidth	geckosfeet	Dec 2012	#23
It's the same selfish, tea party mindset	CanonRay	Dec 2012	#24
Why Bother??	Iggy	Dec 2012	#25
that's father's story STINKS	Skittles	Dec 2012	#81
GOOD LUCK	Iggy	Dec 2012	#82
I know it would be hard to prove	Skittles	Dec 2012	#94
You don't "reason" with them. You impose legislation that	JanMichael	Dec 2012	#26
This message was self-deleted by its author	ann---	Dec 2012	#27
They are in the alternate reality and you cannot reason	Gman	Dec 2012	#28
Leave the 47 percentney alone	BeyondGeography	Dec 2012	#29
You can't...but you arm yourself with this:	dvhughes	Dec 2012	#30
You can't argue with that-- it's a mindset...	TreasonousBastard	Dec 2012	#35
There is a term for people like this	Vietnameravet	Dec 2012	#37
The NRA loves creating false equivilancies	WhoIsNumberNone	Dec 2012	#38
LaPierre is hammering on that one on MTP now.	Skidmore	Dec 2012	#39
See my post below yours for how I suggest we respond to that argument.	JoePhilly	Dec 2012	#41
Try this .... You need a license to drive car. In fact, you might need graded licensees depending	JoePhilly	Dec 2012	#40
Don't bother.	n2doc	Dec 2012	#47
a .223 assault weapon is designed to wound/kill people....	Evasporque	Dec 2012	#48
Gophers and groundhogs are about the biggest thing you should hunt with them	Recursion	Dec 2012	#75
Here's how I dealt with it	ProfessionalLeftist	Dec 2012	#55
low intellience people	samsingh	Dec 2012	#59
He doesn't deserve those guns	treestar	Dec 2012	#60
"How do you reason"? Start with an open mind because you and they may be talking about quite	jody	Dec 2012	#63
You don't. You get them out of your life.	Zoeisright	Dec 2012	#69
EXACTLY. To me, OP's "question" is ridiculous!	WinkyDink	Dec 2012	#85
I think your "comment" is ridiculous.	Atman	Dec 2012	#101
See if you can out do them, just to test their limits.	ZombieHorde	Dec 2012	#74
Yeah, anthrax ammo for those lovable guns. There's the ticket!	patrice	Dec 2012	#79
Simple answer for ya: In many cases, ya can't.	AverageJoe90	Dec 2012	#76
Can you conceal a Dodge Charger and walk into a movie theater with it?	patrice	Dec 2012	#78
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Chico Man	Dec 2012	#88
History shows all sorts of things people have/could do, but, in the context of DU here & now, that	patrice	Dec 2012	#90
The problem is then..	Chico Man	Dec 2012	#96
he's just trying to make excuses....	tulsakatz	Dec 2012	#80
The FB post is wrong...neither the car or firearms are designed to kill.	ileus	Dec 2012	#89
I'm sorry, but that's just silly	cali	Dec 2012	#95
you don't	ibegurpard	Dec 2012	#91
A .233 caliber assault rifle isn't designed to kill people but a Dodge Charger is???	Initech	Dec 2012	#100

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