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25. In Australia, the assault weapons ban decreased gun-related murders by 59%

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A watered down, try-to-make-everyone-happy Assault Weapons Ban is worse than no ban. [View all] Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 OP

K&R (I vote for slag too) MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #1

I agree. A lot of the fun cultists have invested in his capable mags, and multiple assault weapons. Hoyt Dec 2012 #2

The time for placating gun nuts has passed etherealtruth Dec 2012 #3

If you make them "illegal and confiscatable," how do you propose to ENFORCE that law? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #4

I do not propose raids on legal gun owner's houses. I DO propose serious penalty for failure . . . . Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #6

I think you'd see such a law widely ignored, frankly. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #15

Oh, you'd see the hammer come down on minorities who ignore the ban, anywhere Recursion Dec 2012 #88

Same way we did here in Australia. TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #7

I have little doubt... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #10

You mean there is no barrier between gun owners and the rest of us now? Cooperation???? Hahahaha Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #16

Um...no, that's not what I meant at all. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #20

You also bought back all those now illegal guns hack89 Dec 2012 #11

I would vote for that Dirty Socialist Dec 2012 #14

So how do you get all the criminals to turn in their weapons? hack89 Dec 2012 #17

Most mass shootings were done by guns owned by law abiding citizens Dirty Socialist Dec 2012 #22

Yes, and...? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #24

In Australia, the assault weapons ban decreased gun-related murders by 59% Dirty Socialist Dec 2012 #25

Are you claiming that nearly 60% of murders previously were committed by those weapons? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #26

There might be a link Dirty Socialist Dec 2012 #29

Then that could possibly lead one to believe... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #31

We've had a larger decrease in gun murders over the same time period Recursion Dec 2012 #89

What about the other 95% of gun deaths that are not mass shootings? hack89 Dec 2012 #38

Probably over 99%, and they don't seem to count. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #39

Exactly shadowrider Dec 2012 #69

You know something. If you collectively really are... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #81

Well since a good many more of those deaths... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #80

No - most are murders hack89 Dec 2012 #83

Cops in schools is going to cost billions, billions per year in fact Fumesucker Dec 2012 #21

I would spend the money on physical security for school hack89 Dec 2012 #27

Then you're getting up into DoD level expenditures Fumesucker Dec 2012 #34

What other choice is there? hack89 Dec 2012 #37

FUCKING GROW UP AMERICA! /nt TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #82

My irony meter just blew up. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #84

This place is endlessly amusing, innit? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #90

You're wrong. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #41

You think? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #47

A fence would keep him away from the windows, HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #51

But I thought putting bars on the door would be sufficient? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #52

Its done in courthouses and other govt buildings around the country HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #55

Certainly there are quite a few well secured buildings in the USA.. Fumesucker Dec 2012 #59

There are any number of ways a school (continuing that example) could be attacked. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #63

All of the scenarios will require analysis and design by trained (expensive) personnel Fumesucker Dec 2012 #67

Would a lock on the classroom door have stopped someone with this much firepower? uppityperson Dec 2012 #54

It stopped him from entering classrooms that were locked. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #57

You didn't answer my question. Would a door lock stop someone with that much firepower? uppityperson Dec 2012 #58

The doors already have locks built in, HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #61

Here is link: HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #62

A determined shooter will not waste time trying to shoot out a door lock shadowrider Dec 2012 #70

I agree 100%. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #40

SO WHAT?? Iggy Dec 2012 #77

"Billions"? Try a hundred billion dollars, in all probability Xithras Dec 2012 #48

I dunno. If it's the only way to pass a stimulus... (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #87

Did that include a buy back program? Dirty Socialist Dec 2012 #12

You also had a buy-back, at MSRP prices. X_Digger Dec 2012 #19

Different cultures bossy22 Dec 2012 #28

Maybe Dirty Socialist Dec 2012 #30

You think that would be hard? Pass laws with penalities severe enough jmg257 Dec 2012 #44

Full autos are covered under the 1934 Gun Control Act nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #5

It's been many decades since an incredibly rare and valuable (not to mention archaic) Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #68

fully automatic weapons are already banned and have been since 1934 cali Dec 2012 #8

No they are not banned. It is legal for most any law abiding adult to own one. Kaleva Dec 2012 #23

Yeah go to your local gun store and try and buy one in the same manner you would buy any gun. former9thward Dec 2012 #43

Nothing you say supports the statement that they are banned. Kaleva Dec 2012 #50

For the purposes of this debate they are effectively banned and you know it. former9thward Dec 2012 #73

Pretty close to what one has to do to get a Concealed Pistol License in Michigan Kaleva Dec 2012 #78

To buy a automatic weapon you need the signature of the Chief law enforcement person. former9thward Dec 2012 #79

Something I wouldn't have any trouble getting. Kaleva Dec 2012 #85

I live in a state where there are no rules for concealed carry (AZ). former9thward Dec 2012 #86

Interesting. I own a legal full auto. Now, tell me more about how these are "banned". OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #60

Interesting you are trying to mislead others about the availibilty of these weapons. former9thward Dec 2012 #72

Starting to take back the issue is the most important thing frazzled Dec 2012 #9

Absolutely. That's how it got this bad. Change the Conversation, quickly. libdem4life Dec 2012 #36

So have we been lied to the past 10 years about the AWB they have tried to pass? hack89 Dec 2012 #13

Yeah, actually, I think we have. Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #18

This is why I think the meat of the AWB is actually the restriction on hi-cap magazines. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #33

The high-cap magazines are a red herring. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #45

What would you suggest? N/t backscatter712 Dec 2012 #49

Suggestions: HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #53

What I'm interested in is the speed at which a particular weapon can send hot lead out the barrel. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #32

You do realize shadowrider Dec 2012 #71

I note in some of the replies, the same old gunnies arguing the same stale point graham4anything Dec 2012 #35

"If we "ban" only fully automatic weapons but allow semi automatics" former9thward Dec 2012 #42

At the federal level, machine guns were not banned, just heavily restricted. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #64

They are completely illegal in 13 states. former9thward Dec 2012 #74

I never claimed it was the same as any other gun. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #75

K&R forestpath Dec 2012 #46

Regulate the ammo for these guns Kaleva Dec 2012 #56

Agreed. I want REAL gun control. No fig leaves Dems to Win Dec 2012 #65

Couldn't agree more. 99Forever Dec 2012 #66

An Assault Weapon Ban Alone is Worthless: Iggy Dec 2012 #76