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I don't get all the resistance to putting a cop in schools [View all] BarackTheVote Dec 2012 OP

Do you have children or grandkids? This says the 'why not' better than I can. sinkingfeeling Dec 2012 #1

well well argued samsingh Dec 2012 #227

Dear sinkingfeeling, tblue Dec 2012 #254

if we insist in living in an asylum we need better walls? CBGLuthier Dec 2012 #2

OK how do you pay for it? LynneSin Dec 2012 #3

They can't afford the books, either obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #13

Hmm my school district finally bumped average teacher pay to over 60k Riftaxe Dec 2012 #127

You must live in a pretty affluent school district. Chemisse Dec 2012 #131

Thank you! nt raccoon Dec 2012 #136

We make up for it for in property taxes Riftaxe Dec 2012 #137

School districts that are impoverished can't make up for it in property taxes pnwmom Dec 2012 #143

How very homogeneously upper middle class your perspective is. n/t Ed Suspicious Dec 2012 #178

Seriously. The proud product of astonishingly narrow experience. Squinch Dec 2012 #188

If a district is financially tapped out, who the heck is going to be able to pay additional.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #186

Where I live people vote on whether or not to increase taxes for the school. Chemisse Dec 2012 #209

Most districts cannot afford enough books or supplies obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #140

+100000 dionysus Dec 2012 #157

Congratulations, you live in a wildly atypical district. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2012 #156

132656 schools in US napoleon_in_rags Dec 2012 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author libdem4life Dec 2012 #41

far better that than to inconvenience anyone's access to their precious toy guns. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #103

Reality is heavy. napoleon_in_rags Dec 2012 #122

+100 nt Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #123

My freezer is full of venison Riftaxe Dec 2012 #128

For which you need a semi auto high capacity light infantry weapon? Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #141

In Wisconsin, at least 20 years ago when I hunted guns were to only be allowed Ed Suspicious Dec 2012 #182

Just curious, but how many guns do you personally need for hunting purposes?.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #187

The issue has revolved sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #241

Like the idea of raquel69 Dec 2012 #204

Cameras plus panic buttons are a low cost solution. napoleon_in_rags Dec 2012 #257

My suggestion? Bullet tax! phleshdef Dec 2012 #36

We could also see how well it would go over with the supreme court (who would throw out the tax) Travis_0004 Dec 2012 #112

I like it. BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #162

We don't. The Gun mega-industry will pay...count on it. libdem4life Dec 2012 #173

We pay for school supplies for each kid out of our own pocket at the start of each.... OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #185

Here's my idea. AngryOldDem Dec 2012 #203

Do you fight a house fire with more fire? liberal N proud Dec 2012 #4

Not necessarily and also not likely BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #37

Why is it we seem to be the ONLY industrialized nation Kelvin Mace Dec 2012 #62

If it was a supermax prison, the goal would be preventing people from getting out BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #70

OK, why is it that this kind of security is NOT Kelvin Mace Dec 2012 #82

It's NOT about the police state BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #161

Again you keep not answering my question Kelvin Mace Dec 2012 #256

You want to commit our children to armed prisons and retrofit every single classroom in every Care Acutely Dec 2012 #130

Seriously, that is the gun humpers' wet dream. Everywhere they go they could admire the objects of Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #211

a school is a lot like a part-time prison Blackhawk44 Dec 2012 #216

There was one JustAnotherGen Dec 2012 #5

Colombine had security cameras, too n/t arcane1 Dec 2012 #60

Even more info JustAnotherGen Dec 2012 #120

Cause the response to a fire is not to pour gas on it nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #6

wHAT'S NEXT? DainBramaged Dec 2012 #7

One of the elementary schools I work in already has one of those whistler162 Dec 2012 #16

They'll probably insist that the kids are all armed. This has gotten that crazy. Squinch Dec 2012 #195

well, once all the schools are covered, maybe they'll move on to daycare centers spanone Dec 2012 #8

... beat cops do cover McDonalds... BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #166

Beat cops are not required to dedicate themselves to the neighborhood McDonalds. And we need to go Squinch Dec 2012 #192

Because some of us don't want to be constantly in DEFENSE mode against our fellow citizens. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #9

Schools are public institutions BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #44

No offense sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #88

Thank you. Also, Chorophyll Dec 2012 #91

It is and will remain sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #96

Good point vankuria Dec 2012 #142

Right. The fact is that we are never going to be free of people with bad intentions. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #144

1. The person most likely to shoot up a school, goes to that school BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #160

1. Not in elementary schools sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #174

1. Not necessarily, and if they break in, alarms would go off BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #193

A part of a School Guard's life especially in the elementary school, is integrating with the libdem4life Dec 2012 #250

Vigilance has worked at airports raquel69 Dec 2012 #202

Yes it has, and no child has been traumatized. In elementary schools, they are Officer Friendly. libdem4life Dec 2012 #212

Magical thinking comes sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #242

Not much in life can be completely avoided. But we shift our priorities, as needed. libdem4life Dec 2012 #245

Furthermore, these attacks on schools are extremely rare duffyduff Dec 2012 #214

This is the reason why America has become a laughingstock around the world Cali_Democrat Dec 2012 #10

Exactly. laundry_queen Dec 2012 #118

+1 treestar Dec 2012 #159

lol obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #11

Are these kids never to go outside then? madmom Dec 2012 #12

Outside is less of a concern than confined interior spaces BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #46

What about sniper types? madmom Dec 2012 #102

Gunman type, you run outside; sniper type, you take cover inside BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #168

Why not make it simple and make it harder to get the guns in the first place. madmom Dec 2012 #184

I'm not talking either or here BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #196

Because that solution doesn't work. backscatter712 Dec 2012 #14

Sure, and just fire a teacher to pay for it, right? Coyotl Dec 2012 #15

LaPierre proposed putting Zimmermans (it's the new Pinkerton) in the schools. ellisonz Dec 2012 #17

I have no problem with professional security for schools Voice for Peace Dec 2012 #18

Thank you BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #51

because ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #20

I'd say putting cops in every school would be admitting our society has failed completely. Liberal Veteran Dec 2012 #21

It's a government building BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #57

Define 'building'... YvonneCa Dec 2012 #169

They already have cops/security in some of the grocery stores here in Kansas City. RC Dec 2012 #191

We have uniformed cops in Florida schools now...it doesn't make any difference. Sancho Dec 2012 #22

Bravo! Toronto Dec 2012 #50

Yeah there were cops at my kids hs in FL kydo Dec 2012 #52

Agreed BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #74

I grew up without cops in schools Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #124

We no longer have local cops on foot...friendly blue...like we used to who would get to know the libdem4life Dec 2012 #163

I agree, and I like the image BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #170

Thanks. Problem I see is that, like teachers, police officers are also in short supply. libdem4life Dec 2012 #179

Which is why I say that this is the perfect moment to reinvigorate BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #189

I see what you mean and like it. That would include mental health care, rearranging policies libdem4life Dec 2012 #194

I like the picture you paint Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #208

Nice Drive-by-posting. 99Forever Dec 2012 #23

Forgive me for not obsessively tapping the refresh button for ten minutes BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #53

don't say Christmas dlwickham Dec 2012 #56

"...obsessively tapping the refresh button for ten minutes." 99Forever Dec 2012 #77

LOL BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #165

And NOW I'm going to go Christmas shopping with ma mère BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #84

Because people are viewing it as an "either or" situation when it ecstatic Dec 2012 #24

Makes sense to me. Union Scribe Dec 2012 #26

100%, thanks for getting where I'm coming from BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #63

Count me in ... we can do "yes...and" The gun folks will pay for the libdem4life Dec 2012 #248

Police are people too jehop61 Dec 2012 #25

Why do you say they can't befriend anyone? nt ecstatic Dec 2012 #30

According to the gun culture jehop61 Dec 2012 #38

oh. I guess we're all picturing different things ecstatic Dec 2012 #45

I'm picturing a cop BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #65

From an educator's view...these people would be an integral part of the school and the kids lives. libdem4life Dec 2012 #249

Other than the fact that there WAS a cop on campus at Columbine and it had no effect RomneyLies Dec 2012 #27

While I certainly don't mind life-jackets on a boat LanternWaste Dec 2012 #28

Then you must lead a confused and challenging life Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2012 #29

Columbine Had A Cop and Security Cameras Yavin4 Dec 2012 #31

Yeah but they raquel69 Dec 2012 #205

BTW-WHO is going to pay for this? Republicans are cutting school funds & don't want taxes graham4anything Dec 2012 #32

Irony alert: Grover Norquist is on the NRA Board of Directors. Buns_of_Fire Dec 2012 #80

How would you arm the police in schools, with automatic weapons? Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #33

The cops in schools Go Vols Dec 2012 #55

Well without a ban on assault weapons, that may not be enough. Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #79

I don't see a problem with a uniformed officer,but I'm somewhat skeptical about its effectiveness... Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2012 #34

there are 98,817 public schools. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #35

I was pondering the scope and logistics of it too whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #43

That doesn't include charter schools and private schools. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #121

Aren't cops already in a lot of schools? Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2012 #39

No, they aren't. Where Iive in PA, anyway. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #48

Well, maybe not Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2012 #49

they are in my city - Dallas justabob Dec 2012 #68

My experience is that they are Ilsa Dec 2012 #94

Oh brilliant, instead of dealing with the problem of gun nuts and paramilitaries and mental illness, OregonBlue Dec 2012 #40

Uh, they go to the mall and that doesn't seem to bother them. They walk into a bank...at least mine libdem4life Dec 2012 #73

It's a practical solution, a preventive one in Chicago. One officer and security guards are in all ancianita Dec 2012 #115

+1! BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #171

Columbine Had An Armed Guard otohara Dec 2012 #42

You are correct. PA Democrat Dec 2012 #69

It would be some major "cooping" at the vast majority of schools. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #47

makes sense to me dlwickham Dec 2012 #54

How did that work at Columbine? PA Democrat Dec 2012 #71

and? dlwickham Dec 2012 #98

Law enforcement doctrine at the time said with an active shooter to call SWAT and wait Kennah Dec 2012 #129

Why do we have to accept living like this in the first place? CTyankee Dec 2012 #58

Seriously? Kelvin Mace Dec 2012 #59

Don't we at some point have to ask; Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #61

STOPIT already! You are making too much sense. RC Dec 2012 #198

There was an armed sheriff's deputy at Columbine High School.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #64

Been done since the mid 1980s...where ya been? Rex Dec 2012 #66

Just resistence to the new awful recognition that this isn't the inner city or hormonal teenagers. libdem4life Dec 2012 #72

Its a bit like theKed Dec 2012 #135

Huh? Guess analogy or metaphor is lost on some people. Maybe you meant to say holster and handgun libdem4life Dec 2012 #158

Even if it were not a repugnant notion to begin with Toronto Dec 2012 #67

Don't think it would make a difference Lokey Dec 2012 #75

What if the next massacre is in a candy store? Put a cop in every candy store? Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #76

Day care centers. randome Dec 2012 #81

VA Tech has the equivalent of a SWAT team stationed on campus.. frylock Dec 2012 #78

Good points. I agree. rainlillie Dec 2012 #83

Not one public dime. Paid for by the gun industry and their gigantic profits. Blow a hole libdem4life Dec 2012 #85

Only if paid for ENTIRELY by taxes on bullets and guns mainer Dec 2012 #86

That's Because There's NOTHING to Get Here.. Iggy Dec 2012 #87

It turns schools into an arms race. politicat Dec 2012 #89

Eventually, you end up with tactical teams for every school, by this logic hatrack Dec 2012 #93

You end up with an arms race, and the way arms races end is disarmament. politicat Dec 2012 #114

I have read at least a half dozen or so postings asking the same question left is right Dec 2012 #90

Pierre wasn't talking about cops in schools - he was talking about a volunteer militia hatrack Dec 2012 #92

I'd heard this and had discussions about it days before the NRA presser BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #175

Isn't a "volunteer militia" what we already have with all these gun nutz and their armories? RC Dec 2012 #201

Everyone KNOWS that a squadron of marines and a couple of tanks ... tledford Dec 2012 #95

Kids shouldn't be habituated to living in a police state. wickerwoman Dec 2012 #97

The whole cops and/or security guards in schools Toronto Dec 2012 #100

Sounds like you have a yen for a police state. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #99

Take a deep breath ... think School Crossing Guards...just one level up, libdem4life Dec 2012 #167

Armed guards are one step up from school crossing guards? JDPriestly Dec 2012 #246

1. The suggestion comes from the RW fascists at the NRA. That's reason enough. baldguy Dec 2012 #101

Wow! FAIL. Schools cannot hire teachers or buy books. You want to spend $50,000 - $100,000 on cops? Logical Dec 2012 #104

The gov't owns the schools. The gov't already pays the cops. BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #177

Oh and one other thing about this bullshit NRA talking point post... Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #105

+100 pts. for providing the truth and accuracy. Earth_First Dec 2012 #109

They have had it in FLA for a while. HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #106

More guns is clearly NOT the answer to America's gun & violence problem. kenny blankenship Dec 2012 #107

Most schools in my area already have police officers assigned to schools. JohLast Dec 2012 #108

Who would pay for it? csziggy Dec 2012 #110

I believe we Livluvgrow Dec 2012 #113

Lots of cops? But most places have cut back on the numbers csziggy Dec 2012 #116

Flag waving "patriotic" Repugs, slapping you on the back and stepping in for the photo op BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #181

Just because Pepe LaPew billh58 Dec 2012 #111

YOu gonna put two at every door? Bake Dec 2012 #117

By the time a madman breaks into a primary school with an assault rifle, we have already failed. wickerwoman Dec 2012 #119

Well said quaker bill Dec 2012 #134

How is this to be paid for? How many schools are there in this country? Which schools Raine Dec 2012 #125

Let's create a police state in order that the gun nuts can enjoy their freedoms Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #126

Thank you for your opinion, Mr. LaPiere. Le Taz Hot Dec 2012 #132

I don't think that idea is a good one because it isn't a healthy learning environment. The southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #133

People are resisting it because the NRA said it Taitertots Dec 2012 #138

I guess I am too dumb to understand the problem with officers in schools. JohLast Dec 2012 #139

Ahhh ... 99Forever Dec 2012 #145

we are against treating one tiny symptom and ignoring the disease Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #149

Please research the recent cuts to police forces Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #146

In our small county the police are going to have an armed guard available UNTIL the school can jwirr Dec 2012 #147

This is sanity and public safety before politics and hysteria. Someone on the PTA and the school libdem4life Dec 2012 #231

You are six time more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist. Cops would kill kids in school. morningfog Dec 2012 #148

+1 nt Live and Learn Dec 2012 #190

Good lord. This is beyond belief. In what decade do you predict we'll "clean up" libdem4life Dec 2012 #232

No, following the NRA fucknuts would be cowering to the guns. morningfog Dec 2012 #233

Seriously...so what's a timeline...best guess. It's vague and non-actionable, thus useless IMHO. libdem4life Dec 2012 #236

Where have I suggested banning and confiscating all guns? morningfog Dec 2012 #240

Let's put our money where LWolf Dec 2012 #150

A single, token armed guard is kabuki theater. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #151

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Dec 2012 #152

It is an absurd proposition. mn9driver Dec 2012 #153

We have locked entrances at all times. trixie Dec 2012 #154

That seems to have been (more) bad reporting Fumesucker Dec 2012 #164

thanks for the info trixie Dec 2012 #172

While the cop is breaking up a fight, someone takes his gun. randome Dec 2012 #155

Because cops have emotional crisis's and breakdowns too. Live and Learn Dec 2012 #176

We had a cop in school when I was in high school. Iggo Dec 2012 #180

Self-fulfilling prophecy. People react to how they are being treated. You will make everything worse patrice Dec 2012 #183

"I don't get all the resistance to putting a cop in schools" rainlillie Dec 2012 #197

Jesus Christ said the atheist, what has changed is we are flooded with guns. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #199

Whatever! The solution isn't to sit around while both sides bitch rainlillie Dec 2012 #200

They don't have a chance of passing.., Iggo Dec 2012 #219

It's not about more guns BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #207

Well really no that is ridiculous. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #222

So, wait until a school DOES have a violent crime? BarackTheVote Dec 2012 #235

As I said, an insane mis-allocation of police resources Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #238

You're preaching to the choir.. it seems as though some people here rainlillie Dec 2012 #244

I agree it isn't about more guns, glad you can hold two ideas in your head at the same time. rainlillie Dec 2012 #225

No, it's a great thought... 80-10-10 raw vegan Dec 2012 #206

I asked my daughters about this, not having an opinion myself bhikkhu Dec 2012 #210

It costs an enormous amount of money, duffyduff Dec 2012 #213

A school is not a castle. LeftyMom Dec 2012 #215

Congratulations! Zoeisright Dec 2012 #217

So, let's hear an undumb post...on this subject. Assuming other posts were read. libdem4life Dec 2012 #218

LOL! Don't hold your breath. rainlillie Dec 2012 #226

Zoe is right ! Marrah_G Dec 2012 #220

My thought exactly. Iggo Dec 2012 #223

Dress codes? have you ever sat on one of those committees?! Coats off immediately? With books? WinkyDink Dec 2012 #221

I do suppose it's easy for people who don't have to go into schools rainlillie Dec 2012 #224

Switchblades? What, no zipguns? LeftyMom Dec 2012 #237

Yeah, weapons in schools always bring a smile to my face too. rainlillie Dec 2012 #243

Probably because it's a sad commentary on a supposedly civilized society. We have failed as a RKP5637 Dec 2012 #228

For starters, it more or less declares that shooters are the new normal. CBHagman Dec 2012 #229

School districts do not want to be dictated by the NRA LeftInTX Dec 2012 #230

Lots of schools already have them. N/T Yo_Mama Dec 2012 #234

My sister went to a high school with an armed police officer Nikia Dec 2012 #239

They are in schools. That doesn't help mitigate violence 100% vaberella Dec 2012 #247

because it SCARES CHILDREN, COSTS A LOT, and DOES NOT ADDRESS THE PROBLEM Skittles Dec 2012 #251

It's silly to think an officer will stop the next massacre.....it didn't work that way at Columbine Dems to Win Dec 2012 #252

Even if you buy the crap about keeping kids safe while someone is applegrove Dec 2012 #253

Why have a cop hanging around when there is stuff he is duty bound .. Historic NY Dec 2012 #255